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    First i would like to thank Kevin for adding my suggestion to the list
    ( i realize, that's not "version 3 features list", but anyway )

    I admit, my formulation wasn't very good...
    Actually the difference from the current vbulletin would be
    to split "Membes" in 2 different groups: "JuniorMembers" and "Members" [1],
    and to implement a "partial" moderation,
    where the "border" goes between these both
    ( from the current schema either in moderated forum
    exclude "Members" ( sure as well as "Admins" and "Moderators" ) from Moderation ,
    or in unmoderated forum put "Guests" and "JuniorMembers" under moderation )

    The standard group for registered / validated / approved by admin
    would be "JuniorMembers".
    Now, how do "JuniorMembers" become "Members" ?
    In my forum i only need some way to change it manually by admin,
    but some oder admin may want to set also the rule,
    # postings ---> "JuniorMember" becomes "Member"

    Sure, we can call these groups different,
    say instead or "JuniorMembers"/"Members" --> "Members"/"PremiumMembers"

    Anyway may be someone can phrase it even better
    -----------------

    The second part of my suggestion was
    "As there will be threaded view it would be nice to have
    checkboxes instead of radiobuttons (so admin/mod can check many postings and delete all of them with one click )"

    What i mean is, especially since we will have threaded view,
    it's often more comfortable to use general(usual ) forum few(s) for
    approvement of new postings.
    Why? You can not approve a posting out of context.
    I mean, you can not be really sure, the posting is ok.
    Also some postings, you usually delete, you could even approve
    if you see the thread or what is (s)he answering to.
    Just display unapproved postings for admin and moderators
    in usual forum&thread view but in different color
    ( customized color, you can set one, you would never miss )

    Check boxes in threaded view could allow to delete
    many different postings of well known spammer in one go
    ( better even with option: select all/unselect all,
    in case once you have 20 postings on the page ( or 20 unapproved )
    and 16 of them are spam )

    May i ask... how many chances there,
    that this permission/approvement schema will be in v3 ?
    ( say 70%, 10% ... )

    Thanks in advance
    Burns

    P.S. Too bad, i can not post it in "Suggestions" forum
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    The first suggestion would have to be reviewed for inclusion. I can't see any technical reasons why it shouldn't be though.

    Even with that there is a hack available that gives the basis for this and could be expanded to include more options.

    The second suggestion already exists. If you select the delete option from the Thread View you are given the option to delete the entire thread or delete posts within the thread selectively.
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    • #3
      Thank you for the answer.
      About the second suggestion:
      my idea was to give the admin the way to delete
      many threads in one run,
      as well as many postings from different threads ( in threaded view ) in one run,
      for example in case of spam.
      Therefor checkboxes at every posting in threaded view.
      Even if there would be no confirmation for deleting,
      if would be still faster, because else
      you have to wait every time
      till the site is reloaded after deleting of every single posting/thread
      ( say we want to delete 10 postings from 10 different threads )

      In the schema, that i suggest,
      it's really just checkboxes, not buttons
      nothing happens if you just select one or few checkboxes,
      but then the admin would have to click only one time
      on approve/delete button
      to perform the action with all selected postings
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      • #4
        The hack that was released for #2 is called Thread Spinner or something like that and that's on the to-do list to add to vB3.

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        • #5
          great news! Thank you again
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          • #6
            Hi!

            Sorry for asking again...

            I found out, there my provider has still MySQL 3.22.32,
            and there seems to be a lot problems by update of vB using
            MySQL older then 3.23 ( at least it looks so, what i could find in forums here )

            So i just went to another, more expensive provider ( 23 instead of 10 Euro/month ),
            it has MySQL 3.23.47

            But before i buy vB i still need to know, will i be able to use it
            for partial moderation or not ( it also should be at least a BIT easier, then iB,
            which has nice permissions schema, but the moderation process is just pain :/
            ( 18 clicks just to check if you have anything to approve or not using only 5 forums )
            and i never got a singe comment from support about it my moderation-suggestions,
            posted on both iB ages ago and ibf now )
            I mean, sure, the mod. process i can see in admin demo, it IS better,
            and with "Thread Spinner" it can be only better,
            but the "sum" administrating permissions + moderation should be at least a bit faster then with iB
            ( the reason NOT to use iB right now is obvious, but anyway )

            In this case my question is:
            what exactly will NOT be possible with the current vB hacks ( i have no experience in PHP programming ),
            or what will take more work and how much ?

            Partial moderation isn't "nice to have" for me,
            i just will not be able to run the forum without it,
            and even admitting how great is vB in general,
            it would stay just a nice toy for me,
            as long v3 release, and even then... it's isn't "official" confirmed yet, right ?

            Thanks in advance
            Burns

            P.S.
            heh... i really want to use vB,
            just look: FunCom/AnarchyOnline, Reakktor/Neocron, MightyGames/Jumpgate,
            every single game i played in last few months or going to play, the dev/publisher uses vB !
            ( and i dont think the price would play any role for them )
            i hope i can...
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            • #7
              Nobody can help me ?

              I just got access to my new domain/new provider
              with the new MySQL version

              I installed vbLite, fast installation, no problems,
              http://www.macross.de/vblite

              Now i only need to know what are the limitations
              of the vB hacks now ?
              ( regarding partial moderation,
              what is not possible, what is difficult )
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              • #8
                *Has finally got in, after all this time.*

                Well, some people say you need phpmyadmin, while I just upload hacks by hand, with my ftp program. That's how I added the quick post addon. Well hacks, may cause error scripts if added wrong.

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                • #9
                  i'm sorry, but i was asking not how difficult it's be to plug in a "ready to use" hacks in
                  ( own i can not write at all bacause of lack of php knowledge ),
                  but about functionality limitations
                  ( what will NOT be possible, or which additional work i will have to do
                  adminstrating my forum to sustain partial moderation over the time )
                  of the hack(s) mentioned above ( partial moderation ).

                  I still dont give up the the hope someone will answer this question...
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                  • #10
                    basically, all you need to install most hacks is know how to use the search function in notepad

                    some hacks require you to run a mysql query which is just a case of going to phpmyadmin and copy n pasting into a box and pressing a button.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Burns
                      i'm sorry, but i was asking not how difficult it's be to plug in a "ready to use" hacks in
                      ( own i can not write at all bacause of lack of php knowledge ),
                      but about functionality limitations
                      ( what will NOT be possible, or which additional work i will have to do
                      adminstrating my forum to sustain partial moderation over the time )
                      of the hack(s) mentioned above ( partial moderation ).

                      I still dont give up the the hope someone will answer this question...
                      my last try, then i will just give up

                      No one who know how this hack works
                      ( not the programming, just from the forum admin/moderator sight ),
                      which functions exactly it provides
                      ( which limitations compared to my suggested schema it has ),
                      can answer ?
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                      • #12
                        None of the Hacks listed at vBulletin.org will work on vbLite as it is against that programs license agreement to distribute modifications.

                        We don't know what is possible and what isn't. New hacks are released all the time. You will have to check vBulletin.org to see what is available to you.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by wluke
                          None of the Hacks listed at vBulletin.org will work on vbLite as it is against that programs license agreement to distribute modifications.

                          We don't know what is possible and what isn't. New hacks are released all the time. You will have to check vBulletin.org to see what is available to you.
                          Hm.... Thank you vor "friendly" answer :/

                          First, where i said, i want to use it with Lite ?
                          And i know, it would be against license agreement.
                          What did i said:
                          "I installed vbLite, fast installation, no problems,
                          <http://www.macross.de/vblite>
                          Now i only need to know what are the limitations
                          of the vB hacks now ?"
                          - means
                          1) i'm really ready to buy, even got a new provider just
                          to be able to install vB
                          2) a compliment to vB that it's easy to install

                          Note what i wrote in previous post:
                          "But before i buy vB i still need to know, will i be able to use it
                          for partial moderation or not "

                          Second, you know that there is a hack
                          ( "Even with that there is a hack available that gives the basis for this and could be expanded to include more options. " ),
                          but just dont want to waste your time to check it.
                          I CAN not do it,
                          since first i'm not sure which hack is it and
                          have no access to hack-support threads on vb.org.
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                          • #14
                            I honestly don't know if there's such a hack myself, but I bet you'd get a fairly quick answer by asking over at vbulletin.org. Although you don't yet have a license, you can still post questions in some of the forums over there.
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                            • #15
                              ok, just posted there
                              thanks for advice
                              ( i thoght its not possible, because i could not see support threads for hacks... )

                              I would pay even the double price of vB,
                              if there would be that functionality, need it really badly...
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