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  • #76
    again, very excellent help everyone. as far as urls go here's a comparison between how the two peices of forum software handle the url structure:

    IPB
    https://www.forum.net/forum/topic/12...is-is-a-thread

    vs

    VB4
    https://www.forum.com/forum/showthre...is-is-a-thread

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    • #77
      as a few people have mentioned the advantageous are negligible. I think probably the main advantage of the seo-ed titles is there should no longer be duplicate titled threads. vb3.8 isn't great for seo but google has figured it out so there's no huge seo impact.

      On seo stuff, people linking to your site because they like it is 100 times for important. I think you should look after the humans firstly. If they enjoy it then your site will grow. imo people still enjoy vb over ipb. I think of bots as slightly retarded humans so what I do is just make it easier for them, more obvious what's what.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Mark.B View Post
        Anyone not already running vB who would like to, should go straight to vB4. It is absolutely fine, especially the forum-only part, which is now rock solid stable.
        rock solid minus the 100's of bugs
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        • #79
          Originally posted by punchbowl View Post
          as a few people have mentioned the advantageous are negligible. I think probably the main advantage of the seo-ed titles is there should no longer be duplicate titled threads. vb3.8 isn't great for seo but google has figured it out so there's no huge seo impact.

          On seo stuff, people linking to your site because they like it is 100 times for important. I think you should look after the humans firstly. If they enjoy it then your site will grow. imo people still enjoy vb over ipb. I think of bots as slightly retarded humans so what I do is just make it easier for them, more obvious what's what.
          excellent points. thanks.

          Originally posted by Loco.M View Post
          rock solid minus the 100's of bugs
          how is this? please elaborate.

          one thing i like about ipb is the multiquote is more intuitive with the latest version. it's very easy. also the personal messenger works more like a private forum rather then email. many of our users like this.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by RedHotChili View Post
            I'd like to see the capability of being able to highlight text as if with a yellow highlighter where the text remains black but with a rectangular band of yellow in the background.

            Is this something we can request as a future enhancement that vBulletin can consider?
            Ha! Never mind. Looks like this can be done using the "highlight" BBCode. (Another advantage of VB4 over VB3.8: expanded BBCode List.)



            Originally posted by Zachery View Post
            CKeditor is a licensed third party editor we've intergrated into vBulletin.
            Why isn't there mention of the CKEditor in the Manual, much less instructions on how to use it?

            For example, how do you recover text you typed using the Auto-Save feature if you get timed out or lose your connection?

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            • #81
              Originally posted by RedHotChili View Post
              For example, how do you recover text you typed using the Auto-Save feature if you get timed out or lose your connection?
              When you go back in there's a link "Restore Auto-Saved Text" that appears at the bottom of the editor.
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              • #82
                Originally posted by weather101 View Post
                one thing i like about ipb is the multiquote is more intuitive with the latest version. it's very easy. also the personal messenger works more like a private forum rather then email. many of our users like this.
                Dude, no disrespect, but you need to start your own thread regarding comparisons between ipb and vbulletin.

                This thread is about trying to ascertain the advantages of VB4 over VB3.8 for those of us who are still trying to decide if it's best to upgrade to this new version.



                Originally posted by Mark.B View Post
                When you go back in there's a link "Restore Auto-Saved Text" that appears at the bottom of the editor.
                Thanks. That's good to know.

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                • #83
                  forumsidebar
                  style creator
                  autosave

                  are all good ones. I hadn't even thought about the editors or table until I saw you post a table

                  i don't have fb connect on 3.8 but i think it's available?

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                  • #84
                    Forum sidebar is nice, but this can be done with vbadvanced as well. And since vbCMS does not offer portal functionality, vbadvanced CMPS is still very popular. So the sidebar is no real advantage in comparison to vb3.
                    The style creator is a pita.
                    Autosave may be useful, though many people find it annoying as well and are voting to have the warning removed. So this may be an advantage.
                    Search is worse than vb3. This is definitely a regression.
                    The editor as a whole is an improvement.
                    I personally find the vb4 style too clunky, and leaves way to much white space. Just take a look at how the quotes above look. Or the whitespace that is in posts with a signature. On one hand, I would definitely need a custom style with vb4, but since the stylevar system is undergoing changes and fixes, custom styling would be unwise.
                    Out of the box, vb3 is faster than vb4.

                    Friendly urls... Friendly to whom? Surely not to search engines. Threads still have duplicate content, because urls are not SEO friendly. I don't know why or how the syntax of the new 'friendly' urls was selected, but it could do with improvement. They do not even confirm to Googles standards.
                    /showthread.php/xxxx-thread-title/pagex

                    ROLF How is that friendly to anything? I would definitely use vbSEO to FIX that. Or just turn 'friendly'' urls off.

                    If it were friendly then there would be no duplicate content flowing from wrong url syntax. It would also be logical to both readers as search engine bots. i.e.
                    domain.com/forum/thread_title#post40
                    or
                    domain.com/thread_title#post40
                    or
                    domain.com/thread_title-1234#post40 (only needed for Google news indexation, but since the rest of vb doesn't confirm to that anyway, there is no need for threadid)

                    The major attraction of vb4 is digitalpoints sphinx search, and various performance addons on vbulletin.org There are very awesome vb4 addons, which are not all available for vb3.
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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by weather101 View Post
                      again, very excellent help everyone. as far as urls go here's a comparison between how the two peices of forum software handle the url structure:

                      IPB
                      https://www.forum.net/forum/topic/12...is-is-a-thread

                      vs

                      VB4
                      https://www.forum.com/forum/showthre...is-is-a-thread
                      The URL structure is really nothing more than personal preference (for example, I've never used keyword stuffed URLs on my forum and it does just fine in search engines).

                      vBulletin (all versions) in general has some serious problems with other SEO stuff though... so I would recommend vBSEO if you don't have the ability to fix them yourself.

                      Most notably vB creates a MASSIVE amount of duplicate content. For example, these 31 URLs are all unique as far as a search engine is concerned, but it's 31 unique URLs creating identical content (31 different URLs for the same page in a thread... it's just kind of LOL to be honest)... and it's not randomly generated URLs here... these are all URLs that vBulletin generates that a search engine sees the link to.

                      https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/show...-VB3-8-x/page2
                      https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/show...946&viewfull=1
                      https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/show...965&viewfull=1
                      https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/show...966&viewfull=1
                      https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/show...968&viewfull=1
                      https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/show...971&viewfull=1
                      https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/show...973&viewfull=1
                      https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/show...974&viewfull=1
                      https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/show...975&viewfull=1
                      https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/show...982&viewfull=1
                      https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/show...986&viewfull=1
                      https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/show...993&viewfull=1
                      https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/show...997&viewfull=1
                      https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/show...007&viewfull=1
                      https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/show...070&viewfull=1
                      https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/show...074&viewfull=1
                      https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/show...946&viewfull=1
                      https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/show...965&viewfull=1
                      https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/show...966&viewfull=1
                      https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/show...968&viewfull=1
                      https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/show...971&viewfull=1
                      https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/show...973&viewfull=1
                      https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/show...974&viewfull=1
                      https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/show...975&viewfull=1
                      https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/show...982&viewfull=1
                      https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/show...986&viewfull=1
                      https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/show...993&viewfull=1
                      https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/show...997&viewfull=1
                      https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/show...007&viewfull=1
                      https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/show...070&viewfull=1
                      https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/show...074&viewfull=1
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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by digitalpoint View Post
                        Most notably vB creates a MASSIVE amount of duplicate content. For example, these 31 URLs are all unique as far as a search engine is concerned, but it's 31 unique URLs creating identical content (31 different URLs for the same page in a thread... it's just kind of LOL to be honest)... and it's not randomly generated URLs here... these are all URLs that vBulletin generates that a search engine sees the link to...
                        I think Google ignores those links, so it wouldn't be considered duplicate content.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Andy View Post
                          I think Google ignores those links, so it wouldn't be considered duplicate content.
                          Yep... Google doesn't directly penalize... they simply ignore them. Indirectly it hurts because a link that would have pointed to a single URL is instead ignored... so less link juice for the URL.
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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by digitalpoint View Post
                            Indirectly it hurts because a link that would have pointed to a single URL is instead ignored... so less link juice for the URL.
                            I doubt that links like you used as an example that point to forums are ignored. I suspect they are only ignored when Google is crawling the forum.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Andy View Post
                              I doubt that links like you used as an example that point to forums are ignored. I suspect they are only ignored when Google is crawling the forum.
                              Nope, it's the opposite... they are each crawled by Google (it doesn't know they are duplicate content until it actually looks at the content of the URLs (spiders them), then it ignores them as duplicate content after it knows.
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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Alfa1 View Post
                                Autosave may be useful, though many people find it annoying as well and are voting to have the warning removed. So this may be an advantage.
                                You are mixing two features here. One is autosave. The other one beeing the warning.
                                Btw. we had no negative feedback about the warning on our site as of yet, still once there is an option i would set remove the warning.

                                I personally find the vb4 style too clunky, and leaves way to much white space. Just take a look at how the quotes above look. Or the whitespace that is in posts with a signature. On one hand, I would definitely need a custom style with vb4, but since the stylevar system is undergoing changes and fixes, custom styling would be unwise.
                                The white spaces are annoying, but there are easy css fixes for it floating around. And custom styles become less of a problem if you do everything via the additional.css. Last few patches i had to fix like 3 or 4 things for the board (mostly regression, fixes beeing default now, so i could remove them) - aside from the cms of course, there some more stuff had to be done, so i created 9 new stylevars for it. Next vb stylevar update won't bother us there.

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