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  • Zachery
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    So where is the actual php generation stats? The video is nice and all. But I'd like to see some numbers

    Edit: You know, its fine, you win. I don't really want to argue about this anymore.

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  • GT500
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    Originally posted by Zachery View Post
    Okay, then what are you talking about? I know for a fact the average vBulletin page generates from php and mysql in about .1-.01 seconds. Where is your benchmark on phpbb?
    I made a video. Watch it in HD.

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  • Zachery
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    Originally posted by GT500 View Post
    No I'm not. You still don't get it, do you? Oh well...
    Okay, then what are you talking about? I know for a fact the average vBulletin page generates from php and mysql in about .1-.01 seconds. Where is your benchmark on phpbb?

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  • GT500
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    Originally posted by Zachery View Post
    He is talking about the time it takes the browser to actually display the page once downloaded. Not the time it takes php/apache and mysql to generate the page source.
    No I'm not. You still don't get it, do you? Oh well...

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  • feldon23
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    If you want a benchmark of a tremendously slow browser page load, due to horribly inefficient javascript, try:
    http://eq2players.station.sony.com/

    It's not a malicious site at all, it's a game site for an MMO. But clearly, the platform devs on that website have no idea how to optimize Javascript.

    On my Core 2 Duo it takes 5 seconds for the scroll bar to become workable after the page is mostly loaded.

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  • sportsfi
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    Oh okay Zach my mistake I was reading through this thread via my phone on my way home from work so just quick glanced it. My mistake everyone I apologize.

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  • Zachery
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    Originally posted by sportsfi View Post
    Doesn't vBulletin have debug mode that shows how long the page took to load/generated etc?
    He is talking about the time it takes the browser to actually display the page once downloaded. Not the time it takes php/apache and mysql to generate the page source.

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  • sportsfi
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    Originally posted by GT500 View Post
    As am I.

    Also note that page loading time and page rendering time are different things, and while rendering is effected by loading time, it is not as big of a factor when on a reliable broadband connection and loading all images from the cache. Loading images from the cache takes most of the page loading time out of the equation, and you can see the generation time more clearly. It's not perfect, but since neither vBulletin nor phpBB has a thing to show the amount of time it takes to generate the page, then it's the best I have short of recording the server load monitor to see how long it is processing it.
    Doesn't vBulletin have debug mode that shows how long the page took to load/generated etc?

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  • sportsfi
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    So it sounds like you want to stay with SMF no matter what - so no point what we write. Thanks for stopping by nice to see you good luck.

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  • GT500
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    Originally posted by Zachery View Post
    I'm talking about the actual time it takes for php and mysql to do their thing and spit out the html content.
    As am I.

    Also note that page loading time and page rendering time are different things, and while rendering is effected by loading time, it is not as big of a factor when on a reliable broadband connection and loading all images from the cache. Loading images from the cache takes most of the page loading time out of the equation, and you can see the generation time more clearly. It's not perfect, but since neither vBulletin nor phpBB has a thing to show the amount of time it takes to generate the page, then it's the best I have short of recording the server load monitor to see how long it is processing it.

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  • Zachery
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    Again, are we talking about page rendering time on the browser's end? There are so many things that can cause the speed of a page to render quickly or slowly. Bandwidth, server bandwidth, how many images, javascript files, etc are being served. What kind of CSS and javascript are needed to be rendered.


    I'm talking about the actual time it takes for php and mysql to do their thing and spit out the html content.

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  • GT500
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    Originally posted by Zachery View Post
    You're talking about page rendering times for browsers.
    My initial install of phpBB 3 had very little rendering time. Like I said previously, it would display in under a second, and that was without using caching tricks. I'm starting to think it was the update to Resin that slowed things down. Page generation time is slower in phpBB 3 than it was previously, and the settings are the same (for the forum and for my browser).

    When I set my cache to only check images every 5 minutes, the loading times of phpBB 3 and vBulletin 4 are almost identical for me, with phpBB 3 being slightly faster. If I change it back to the default theme, it grows noticeably faster, but only by a little bit. Regardless, I don't think it's safe to say that vBulletin is the fastest forum software. It certainly has a better feature set than phpBB 3 (I like how it lets me restrict who can reply to topics in my Malware Removal forum, which puts it a step above IPB for security forums).

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  • Zachery
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    You're talking about page rendering times for browsers. Which has considerably more elements coming into play. Honestly both pages you linked me to download and render for me in under 2-3 seconds.

    I am curious about the actual php and mysql time spent. There are a considerable number of things that can be done to speed up browser rendering time.

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  • GT500
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    Originally posted by GT500 View Post
    If you want, I can install a test build of phpBB 3 on my server, and you can see the huge difference.
    OK, I went ahead and did it. Note that both vBulletin 4.0.3 PL1 and phpBB 3.0.7 PL1 are both running on the same Resin 4.0.7 HTTP server with Quercus 4.0.7 handling the PHP, and they are both connecting to the same MySQL 14.12 server as the same user. I made the setup on each one as similar as possible (except for the themes, as a Quercus bug prevents me from adding themes to vBulletin 4).

    Link to my vBulletin 4 forum.

    Link to my phpBB 3 test forum.

    With that AreoBlue style installed, phpBB 3 has actually slowed down a little bit. It's page generation time is still a little faster than vBulletin 4 though (the slower page loading speed is due to all of the pretty graphics in AreoBlue).

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  • GT500
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    Originally posted by Zachery View Post
    Do you have DST enabled?
    I am in cleveland, normally -5 gmt, during DST its -4 dst. The time on the forums is correct for me. Make sure you're in the right timezone and have your dst prefrences set correctly.
    I have never seen an application change the GMT offset due to daylight savings time. It's the same time zone, just observing DST, so technically when it's set to -5 then saying -4 is inaccurate, as it implies a different time zone. It would be more accurate to say GMT -5 with DST.

    The time is correct, it's just that the time zone is not being displayed correctly.

    Originally posted by Zachery View Post
    Are we talking about browser rendering time, or actual page generation time?
    vBulletin for me on a moderate server generates pages under a second, generally Page Generation is under 0.1 seconds. So how much faster is phpbb compared to vBulletin?
    Page generation time. My phpBB 3 forums would load within a fraction of a second of clicking the button to visit my forum (and there were a lot more posts on it than on my vBulletin forum). vBulletin takes anywhere from 5-10 seconds to finish generating. I am using the same browser with the same settings (Opera 10.54 Build 3394 on Windows 7 x64).

    If you want, I can install a test build of phpBB 3 on my server, and you can see the huge difference.

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