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  • Some pre-sales questions from a wwwThreads vet.

    Wow, just two minutes here and I'm already liking the system. It's aesthetically pleasing and feature rich.

    I'm a wwwthreads veteran and not the smartest PHP programmer in the world, but I'm learning. My installation of wwwthreads is slowing down, even for those on a T3 broadband connection. The server utilization is through the roof, but I'm getting a little tired of the software maintenance and the way I hotwired the templates to produce the ldesired layout, and if I update the system software, all my changes will be gone. My fault. I didn't know what I was doing back then, but now I have a far better idea.

    If you want to see my mess, drop over to http://swordforum.com/ and click on "Discussion Forums". I will probably still want to put a left-hand navigational bar. My first question is this: how does NetScape handle vBulletin - pretty well? I have over 20 forums, and because of the nested tables, it drove wwwthreads nuts and made it slow loading. (Again, this may not be 100% wwwthreads fault.. merely my bad programming from a short while back. I've grown wiser.)

    The second question is this: we get a lot of traffic and people who lurk as as well as use by registered users. Can vBulletin handle the load and not spike the server utilization and still remain fast even though you may have tens of thousands of posts?

    Thirdly, is it fairly easy for me to customize the look of vBulletin to look like it were an integral part of my website? I use a centered table and a header (again if you fine pre-Sales folks could take a peek at my site, that would be great.)

    Forth pre-sales question would be this: can we create passworded rooms? And if I set people up as moderators, do I have to add them to every single room? This is a pain for me in wwwthreads... the more forums, the more clicking in the admin shell. Argh...!

    I guess that's it for now. Thank you so much for your time and consideration. I look forward to hearing from you.

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    Re: Some pre-sales questions from a wwwThreads vet.

    Originally posted by Adrian Ko
    My first question is this: how does NetScape handle vBulletin - pretty well?
    Yep, it looks great on IE, Netscape, Mozilla and Opera ... There are even some textarea modifiers at the bottom of the Styles section, which lets you adjust the text area in Netscape (since Netscape usually renders them much wider than IE).
    Originally posted by Adrian Ko
    The second question is this: we get a lot of traffic and people who lurk as as well as use by registered users. Can vBulletin handle the load and not spike the server utilization and still remain fast even though you may have tens of thousands of posts?
    I think the best example would be a link:
    http://www.hardforum.com/
    Originally posted by Adrian Ko
    Thirdly, is it fairly easy for me to customize the look of vBulletin to look like it were an integral part of my website? I use a centered table and a header (again if you fine pre-Sales folks could take a peek at my site, that would be great.)
    You can customize vBulletin pretty easily and effectively - it just depends on how much time you invest in customization... you can check my site (click on my sig) and see how I integrated the forums into the site. vBulletin has almost 400(?) templates which control different aspects of the forum, and each one is customizable
    Originally posted by Adrian Ko
    Forth pre-sales question would be this: can we create passworded rooms? And if I set people up as moderators, do I have to add them to every single room? This is a pain for me in wwwthreads... the more forums, the more clicking in the admin shell. Argh...!
    Unfortunately, vBulletin 2.2 doesn't have a passworded forum feature yet (dunno why they don't). And yes, I think you still need to add moderators on a per forum basis in vBulletin...
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      As far as server strain goes, we have several customers with over 1 million posts running with no problems. They have gone through server optimizations and tuneups with some of our experts in the Server Config forum (towards the bottom of the main forums page). Some examples of heaily-used forums:
      http://forums.bigbigsavings.com/index.php3
      http://www.flashkit.com/board/index.php (this is using an older version of the software)
      http://www.disboards.com/forums/
      http://forums.planetunreal.com/

      vBulletin does not have password-protected forums although this is on the todo list for the next major version, due out in Q1 2002. As far as moderators, it looks as though you are using them as what we call 'Super Moderators'; that is, they have moderator powers in all forums as opposed to being assigned to a specific one(s). This is simple to do in vBulletin; it involves changing their usergroup. You can get more of an idea of administration at our live Admin Control Panel Demo at http://www.vbulletin.com/admindemo.html .

      There are header and footer templates that are used system wide except for a handful of certain cases (redirect screens come to mind). You can wrap the whole page in a table, using one table row and having the left cell be your navigation and the right cell the vBulletin content.

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        Thank you! (More...)

        This is very positive feedback. I've been to some of the sites, and Toilitz' green-colored site is very similar to what I'm talking about. So that in itself was a template? The layout is very similar to what I have on swordforum.com - I'd very much prefer to keep the template in individual header and footer PHP files and then fire-and-forget.

        One thing I noticed though on Toilitz' site is that if people's nicknames are longer, this expands the cell which houses their thumbnails. Is there any way to avoid that?

        Looking good... looking very, very good. Okay, now I'm severaly tempted.

        Final question is this: Many Forums are trying to copy UBB or are a UBB style. But what does vBulletin have that makes it stand out that UBB does not have?

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          Re: Thank you! (More...)

          Glad you liked it

          Originally posted by Adrian Ko
          Tolitz' green-colored site is very similar to what I'm talking about. So that in itself was a template?
          No, that's actually a STYLE ... a Style is made up of a headers, a footer, color schemes and a bunch of templates, each one customizable whatever way you like ... this way, you can develop radically different styles just by editing the headers, footers and templates within them

          I'll let the others answer your other questions...

          Originally posted by Adrian Ko
          Final question is this: Many Forums are trying to copy UBB or are a UBB style. But what does vBulletin have that makes it stand out that UBB does not have?
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          Last edited by Tolitz; Wed 14 Nov '01, 5:16pm.
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            If you want to see examples of the power of the template system in vB, just visit the different style links I have in my sig.
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              Re: Thank you! (More...)

              Originally posted by Adrian Ko
              Final question is this: Many Forums are trying to copy UBB or are a UBB style. But what does vBulletin have that makes it stand out that UBB does not have?
              We can honestly say we are not banned from use on any webhosts. I am a little bit biased but performance-wise we are easier on servers overall than UBB. We also have many more features, and many more dynamic features, such as:
              -Ability to not view other user's signatures (each user has this option)
              -Seeing who of the people who have replied to the thread you are viewing is online (that little v/checkmark symbol next to the 'profile' button in the row below each post is an online indicator)
              -Who is online in each forum
              -Mark this forum read
              -Attaching files
              -Custom avatars uploadable by the user (this is able to be disabled by the admin)
              -Polls
              Much more.

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              • #8
                Vb is good. Simple and easy and a great choice.
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                  Re: Thank you! (More...)

                  Originally posted by Adrian Ko


                  Final question is this: Many Forums are trying to copy UBB or are a UBB style. But what does vBulletin have that makes it stand out that UBB does not have?
                  the simple answer is vBulletin's backend/administration & templates is a light years ahead of the any forum software out there i think

                  other forums maybe look nice on the front user end... but one look and comparison on the backend/administration side and you'll understand

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