VB4 and IE6

[Protoss]

@schwab2clarkson
Where is this announcement you mention about IE6 end of support. I have asked you twice previously (in other threads) for the link and you fail to provide it.

IE6 Support will last until at least the end of life cycle for Windows XP SP 3. Then it is reviewed.

It's not ONLY about members. It's about visitors. Every visitor is an asset and this is vitally important to the success of any forum.

[Jeremy8]

I was going to convert my forum to vB, but this is very bad news. According to Google Analytics my forum has had 400 IE6 visitors in the past month.

[aceofspades]

The whole discussion of how many members each site has is pointless, even if a board only has 10 members, statistically one of those members is using IE6 and should be catered for.

Im not saying IE6 should be pristine, it doesnt have to have rounded corners, but it shouldnt look like it is a broken website either. I feel that this could be easily fixed with an IE6 conditional CSS file and I would like to know from VB if this is an unreasonable request.

For the record, I hate IE6, I use chrome and I dont even have a very active forum at the moment (zombiemod.com) but this is really something I feel should be looked at for VB4.

[BoYagoob]

What a boring person you are.....
You get told to by microsoft. Why don't you look up the articles on the microsoft website and stop being so damn stubborn and pigheaded about it.

if I need to read someting in the internet .. why don't you look up and just look around you? you just care about yourself with your damn and useless brain .. and forget the others! This is stupid way of thinking .. many people don't know even how to upgrade it!!

I know one member .. who took his PC to a computer workshop to install msn messenger!

not everybody in the world is professional like you .. << I guess ..

anyway .. you can upgrade your forum if you are the only member of it "+_-

[0ptima]

Personally I don't care. If members can't do me the favor of upgrading their browser(which is free by the way), than I'm not losing sleep if they can't view my site properly. They could upgrade to the latest version of IE, mozilla firefox, opera, chrome, or a myriad of others completely for free.

Say you have a member who contributes a lot to your forum and after the upgrade cant contribute because he is stuck on IE6? Would you still care?

[Turbosport]

My IE6 users are complainign like mad too.

[rsw686]

I don't exactly know how the site looks in IE6, but IE7 it looks just fine. And if you have XP I believe Microsoft Update automatically upgrades you to IE7. o.o

You shouldn't be commenting without seeing for yourself what it looks like in IE6. It is completely unusable. I could live with cosmetic problems, but my IE6 users wouldn't even be able to read the content on the forum. Looks like I am not upgrading to vBulletin 4 as 10% of my users are still using IE6.

[smackLAN]

In fact in a past life I have created a built a huge community that has since sold. I say past life because I am no longer in the porn industry like I once was. I have become a Christian some years ago and although the porn site I had grew quicker than one could imaiage I would take me and my 18 active users any day over a fast and loose site like I once had.

*off topic*, but congrats Brother, that was a wise decision on your part!

[zomega]

Is that on your site with 10 active members?

You seem pretty quick to insult others' lack of members. A cunning strategy employed by an equally cunning linguist. I'm impressed, I think I only posted the link to my site on here once so you actually went through the trouble of searching through all of my posts to find it.

I would comment on why you would spend that much time and energy just to prove a point. But I believe it speaks for itself. I just started my website around a month ago. I know that's not an excuse for it being small but it's growing. One thing I find curious though, that if your site is so mammoth, that you see fit to judge others, are you really hurting for members so bad that you need the small percentage of users that still use IE6 to support your member base? That point seems to counter itself.

IE6 is an 8 year old browser. Yeah eventually VB should support it but I don't think it's that big of a deal. There are other things that should should be fixed first. The CMS being one of them. It's called moving forward, and designing for an 8 year old browser isn't exactly doing that.

I don't exactly know how the site looks in IE6, but IE7 it looks just fine. And if you have XP I believe Microsoft Update automatically upgrades you to IE7. o.o

[Paul M]

I don't believe everything I read either dude. Unlike what you do. What you are saying is very old school that is so off the mark possible, that you wouldn't give a rat's about what Microsoft has clearly stated on it's site in the middle of the year that they will be stopping the support for IE 6.
That's why I simply asked my customers to upgrade from the old browsers to the new ones.
THere was no arguments about which browser was better. They just went and did it.
Now to save arguments all the time just do what's asked and upgrade. It would make it a lot easier.
If you are at a workplace that won't let you upgrade get a petition around the place to get them to upgrade their old technology.

You are so deluded sometimes its almost amusing reading you posts. No one using IE6 cares if Microsoft support it or not anymore.

Petition the workplace - ROFL, seriously, what planet are you on ? do you really think a multi-million pound business is going to give a rats ass about some silly little petition. Just in case you cant figure out the answer - its No, they wont.

You (like many of the others in this thread [and others] who just say "tell them to upgrade") clearly have no grasp of the real world. Enjoy your little fantasy world, and leave reality to the adults please.

[ManagerJosh]

No simply because they were getting red x's on their screen. It made it look like that the whole thing was broken.
I don't believe everything I read either dude. Unlike what you do. What you are saying is very old school that is so off the mark possible, that you wouldn't give a rat's about what Microsoft has clearly stated on it's site in the middle of the year that they will be stopping the support for IE 6.
That's why I simply asked my customers to upgrade from the old browsers to the new ones.
THere was no arguments about which browser was better. They just went and did it.
Now to save arguments all the time just do what's asked and upgrade. It would make it a lot easier.
If you are at a workplace that won't let you upgrade get a petition around the place to get them to upgrade their old technology.

If one of my customer's CTO saw that you circulated a petition, they'd laugh for a few minutes, and tell you it won't happen. Some custom applications like healthcare were designed for IE6. It works well in IE6, and okay in IE7. Toss in IE8 into the equation, and the application dies completely. It kicks you out of the system altogether.

It is why many companies block installing windows updates. It would essentially bring things to a screeching halt. Plus they'd block installing any third-party applications as it could potentially compromise security of these systems.

Needless to say, in the workplace and real world, not everyone jumps immediately to updating everything immediately.

[Mark.B]

It's not my job to dictate to people what browsers they should use, it's my job to make money. Obviously you know nothing about the subject so I sugest you stop talking about things you clearly dont understand.

You don't believe in statistics? Im not arguing about MS's support for IE6 or which is the better browser. I am merely making the point that right now, as I type these very words, 11% of those people on my site are using IE6. More are using IE6 than Safari, Opera and Chrome. If I provide a broken looking site to them, do you think they will become members? Do you think they will hang around or do you think (like most do when coming across a site like that) "ewww, that site needs some attention. Must not be very good".

My question to you is: Why does it matter so much? Shouldn't you expect vBulletin "the king of forums" to be able to come up with a design that actually worked in all modern browsers? Why do I get a consistent experience regardless of the browser I am using (rounded corners and all) when I visit a free forum like phpBB? Why should I HAVE to care what my users are browsing with when I use vB but I don't using any other browser out there? Why am I paying MORE and getting less? More importantly, why should it matter to you that I want IE6 support?

You're both wasting your time. schwab2clarkson does not live in the real world and never has. All she ever does is defend vBulletin *no matter what*, even if it means resorting to ridiculous suggestions like "tell your users to upgrade", the stupidity of which isn't even worth going into.

Just ignore her. I can never work out if she's a troll or just genuinely doesn't grasp the basic issues of being a webmaster. Suffice to say she's not actually allowed in the Licensed Customer Feedback forum, because she was winding everyone up so much and causing arguments.

[the geek]

No simply because they were getting red x's on their screen. It made it look like that the whole thing was broken.
I don't believe everything I read either dude. Unlike what you do. What you are saying is very old school that is so off the mark possible, that you wouldn't give a rat's about what Microsoft has clearly stated on it's site in the middle of the year that they will be stopping the support for IE 6.
That's why I simply asked my customers to upgrade from the old browsers to the new ones.
THere was no arguments about which browser was better. They just went and did it.
Now to save arguments all the time just do what's asked and upgrade. It would make it a lot easier.
If you are at a workplace that won't let you upgrade get a petition around the place to get them to upgrade their old technology.

You don't believe in statistics? Im not arguing about MS's support for IE6 or which is the better browser. I am merely making the point that right now, as I type these very words, 11% of those people on my site are using IE6. More are using IE6 than Safari, Opera and Chrome. If I provide a broken looking site to them, do you think they will become members? Do you think they will hang around or do you think (like most do when coming across a site like that) "ewww, that site needs some attention. Must not be very good".

My question to you is: Why does it matter so much? Shouldn't you expect vBulletin "the king of forums" to be able to come up with a design that actually worked in all modern browsers? Why do I get a consistent experience regardless of the browser I am using (rounded corners and all) when I visit a free forum like phpBB? Why should I HAVE to care what my users are browsing with when I use vB but I don't using any other browser out there? Why am I paying MORE and getting less? More importantly, why should it matter to you that I want IE6 support?

[man1c]

TELL YOUR LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE TO UPGRADE instead of having a bun fight over what browser is best.

It's not my job to dictate to people what browsers they should use, it's my job to make money. Obviously you know nothing about the subject so I sugest you stop talking about things you clearly dont understand.

[carntheroos4eva]

So in reality you run some piddling little site that two of your friends visit when you actually have it running - I'm sorry but your opinion means nothing and you aren’t qualified to even enter this debate.

Some of us have millions of visitors per month and the lack of IE6 compatibility is a huge problem.

No I think you are just wanting to argue all the time all because you refuse to upgrade. Also those members who work in that old browser won't be able to use the new Adobe software as it insists that you upgrade before taking on the new software....
TELL YOUR LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE TO UPGRADE instead of having a bun fight over what browser is best.