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  • carntheroos4eva
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    Originally posted by Protoss View Post
    @schwab2clarkson
    Where is this announcement you mention about IE6 end of support. I have asked you twice previously (in other threads) for the link and you fail to provide it.

    IE6 Support will last until at least the end of life cycle for Windows XP SP 3. Then it is reviewed.

    It's not ONLY about members. It's about visitors. Every visitor is an asset and this is vitally important to the success of any forum.
    Funny because nearly all windows based pcs have the latest version of everything.
    Get with the times buddy.

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  • JamieinNH
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    Originally posted by kyrgyz View Post
    Which I don't understand as well. Prime example is the discussions and speculations regarding increased db queries. Only after a while vB team responded in a user's thread addressing it. Why couldn't they just make an announcement telling about such changes beforehand. Instead they let it blow up out of proportions all over the net and leave customers worried.
    Agreed.. it would seem they haven't learned from the whole 'leaked screen shots' and lack of communication. I was sure we were headed towards better communications in the last month of Beta testing and them listening, but here are two very clear problems without much if any voice from the team.

    That was why the quoted text talking about discounting Joomla template support was a good example of how to communicate and how things should be done. In advance so the users can make decisions.

    When we as Admin's take our site down, unless it's an emergency do we do it blindly without notice? No. As Admin's we have to communicate to our users or our community suffers. The VB Team really needs to communicate better with it's users in my opinion.

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  • kyrgyz
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    Originally posted by JamieinNH View Post
    In the MANY threads talking about the problems we're having the VB Team hasn't piped in to say one way of the other WHERE they stand.. Mum's the word with them on hot issues it would seem...
    Which I don't understand as well. Prime example is the discussions and speculations regarding increased db queries. Only after a while vB team responded in a user's thread addressing it. Why couldn't they just make an announcement telling about such changes beforehand. Instead they let it blow up out of proportions all over the net and leave customers worried.

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  • soundpunk
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    Iv seen it , it looks terrible .. but as a designer my self I support their decision to not support IE6.

    If you look through the CSS there are IE6 hacks everywhere .. they havnt just completely ignored it , there are IE6 fixes everywhere, but to make it work like a modern browser would take huge work and bloat the forum even more..

    I would be happy with a pop up box or something similiar that told users of my forum that were running IE6 that they would have trouble using the site, at least warn them. Id rather that than have bloated CSS and javascript to accomodate for an obsolete , unsupported browser.

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  • cbiweb
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    I HOPE the powers that be are at least reading all these threads and posts, and simply working on solutions without saying anything, to surprise us. It would be nice to hear from them, but hopefully they're paying attention and working on it.

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  • the geek
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    Wha? People visit my site with IE6. In fact, a crap load do. I want to make sure they aren't presented with a site that looks broken. Though I haven't looked closely at the numbers, I would suspect... erm... about no people visited my site with Front Page. In the Last year. Or. Ever.

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  • Mike Anime
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    Originally posted by the geek View Post
    My question to you is: Why does it matter so much? Shouldn't you expect vBulletin "the king of forums" to be able to come up with a design that actually worked in all modern browsers?


    the point is IE6 is NOT a modern browser just as Front Page is dead IE 6 is just as dead.


    how much did you ***** when front page went dark?
    Last edited by Mike Anime; Mon 28 Dec '09, 5:09pm. Reason: fixing broken quote bracket

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  • the geek
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    Originally posted by Mike Anime View Post
    no thats showing in my stats for total traffic for this month.

    my forums might not have meny members right now but the site gets lots of hits each month.
    Maybe you would have more members if you catered to their preferred browser? I suspect maybe 10% more at least?

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  • Mike Anime
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    Originally posted by the geek View Post
    Couldn't even bring your site up to see. You are missing a very important point though. You can't ask your members to upgrade their browsers because they will never be members if they use IE6. Statistically, IE6 is used by more than Opera, Safari and Chrome.



    Is that on your site with 10 active members?



    All 67 members for your 35 posts?

    You guys make me think of a shop owner refusing to put in disabled parking spaces or providing wheelchair access because none of their 10 customers are disabled. People use IE6 because THEY NEED TO. Larger sites cannot be stupid enough to cut off thousands to millions of their audience per year just because you aren't bothered to lose 10 of your audience members per year. In this advanced web designing tome, it states that you should make the browsing experience consistent across the widest range of browsers possible. If IE6 has too few users to make the cut then you should by rights drop all support for all versions of FF pre 3.5, All versions of Opera, All Chrome and all Safari.


    no thats showing in my stats for total traffic for this month.

    my forums might not have meny members right now but the site gets lots of hits each month.

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  • JamieinNH
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    We are officially joining the Joomla! Template Developer movement to end Joomla! support of IE6. Rockettheme, one of (if not THE) biggest Joomla! template clubs has just posted their announcement that they'll end support of IE6 by January 1st, 2010.
    http://www.joomlapraise.com/team-blo...e-movement.php
    From where I sit, this is the way it's suppose to be. Do you see they posted this in June of 2009 with an EOL date six months out? This gives anyone that is using their templates time to react and figure out what they want to do concerning their community.

    I have no problem with VB not supporting IE6 (I wish they would) but the problem I have it there has been no such annoucement from the VB Team about EOL of supporting older browsers. In the MANY threads talking about the problems we're having the VB Team hasn't piped in to say one way of the other WHERE they stand.. Mum's the word with them on hot issues it would seem...

    The above quoted people talking about Joomla at least let their community in the loop 6 months in advance...

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  • kyrgyz
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    Originally posted by Protoss View Post
    @schwab2clarkson
    Where is this announcement you mention about IE6 end of support. I have asked you twice previously (in other threads) for the link and you fail to provide it.

    IE6 Support will last until at least the end of life cycle for Windows XP SP 3. Then it is reviewed.
    IE6 has next to nothing as far as support from Microsoft goes. There is even a IE6 end of life compaign.

    Not defending schwab2clarkson here, but support for IE6 is like some mods at vb.org that say they are supported, but users can't get any support at all or very sporadically. To me IE6 is unsupported, however Microsoft claims. At this point the dates or announcements by Microsoft regarding IE6 are irrelevant.

    We are officially joining the Joomla! Template Developer movement to end Joomla! support of IE6. Rockettheme, one of (if not THE) biggest Joomla! template clubs has just posted their announcement that they'll end support of IE6 by January 1st, 2010.
    http://www.joomlapraise.com/team-blo...e-movement.php
    Last edited by kyrgyz; Mon 28 Dec '09, 1:50pm.

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  • Defkalion
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    I hope this issue gets resolved quickly, otherwise I cannot use vb4. In my communities (about 130,000 visits per month) I get 11% with IE6.

    Now in the past, I have chosed to drop modules that had effect on 1% of my users. And now I read here that webmasters actually consider shouting a "upgrade or go away" to whatever % of their members.

    Wake up fellows, members are the most important asset of your communities. Sure, we DO all the hard technical work, but members are the "blood" of our websites. If I even lose ONE member it's a bad thing, you're telling me to consider losing 11% of my traffic?

    On the other hand, I'm not gonna go yelling to IB, they make the decisions, it's their software. If they fix this, fine, I'll upgrade my communites. If they don't, I'll stick with 3.x or move to another community software.

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  • rsw686
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    Originally posted by zomega View Post
    I like being able to use the standards of the modern browsers. I don't want features taken away from the 90% of users using modern browsers to cater towards the 10%.
    You can apply style sheets based on browser versions. All they need to do is develop a special case style sheet for IE6 users which provides basic functionality. Besides its not like any of the "niceties" work in IE7 or IE8. You are stuck with a non rounded corner looking forum in any IE version.

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  • zomega
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    It's not a screw them if they don't upgrade attitude friend. What concerns me primarily is I don't want the niceties taken away to cater towards the 10% of users who use IE6.

    I like being able to use the standards of the modern browsers. I don't want features taken away from the 90% of users using modern browsers to cater towards the 10%.

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  • the geek
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    Originally posted by zomega View Post
    You seem pretty quick to insult others' lack of members. A cunning strategy employed by an equally cunning linguist. I'm impressed, I think I only posted the link to my site on here once so you actually went through the trouble of searching through all of my posts to find it.
    Nope, don't flatter yourself. I was curious of your anti user viewpoint (screw em if they don't upgrade) which usually indicates experience admining a dead community. However your slap down of another users opinion in this thread for only having 18 active customers contradicted that thought (gosh you're pretty quick to insult others' lack of members eh?)

    Originally posted by zomega
    I think it's funny that you are posing this question to this fellow when the site in your signature only has 18 active members. Your spouting off things like weak arguments and trying to make it seem like he doesn't run an active community. But in fact you don't run much of an active community either.

    Oh the tangled webs we weave.
    So I naturally assumed you must have a busy site. I didn't trawl your posts here. Like I care. However I stumbled upon your post at IPB today. Your URL is in your signature over there. Naturally...

    I clicked.

    I laughed.

    I love irony.

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