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  • carntheroos4eva
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    Originally posted by Super Jinni View Post
    It looks like you misunderstand what I wrote.
    It's not about me. It's about people who visit my site using IE6. We can't just ignore them.
    I'd like to say it might be somehow acceptable if not possible to make CSS and XHTML work right in IE6 (without tables), but that is possible, and phpBB prove it with their skin which look the same in all browsers.
    For upgrading matter, I was talking about my forum, not about my browser.



    That's one of many cases which force some users to use IE6. and for that we can't just make people to use other browsers.
    I've been working for days trying to make new style look the same -as possible- in IE6, but there are a lot of things that I couldn't figure out how to deal with till now. That's one of many reasons why I can't upgrade before the next release(s).

    I -somehow- feel disappointed after the gold release.
    Just tell them to upgrade their IE browser. They will understand that. Also tell them that Microsoft won't support those who use IE6 anymore and are urging their customers to upgrade.
    If you are one of those who has to use IE6 then email your boss and tell him to get with the times and upgrade to the new IE8.

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  • Super Jinni
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    Originally posted by cbiweb View Post
    hmmmm...... maybe someone should build an IE6-friendly skin.....
    vB team should do that!

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  • cbiweb
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    hmmmm...... maybe someone should build an IE6-friendly skin.....

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  • msimplay
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    Originally posted by the geek View Post
    Forward thinking is not exclusionary thinking Mike.
    I agree if I refused ie6 users then I'd simply be throwing money away because those users that have ie6 for whatever reason will simply use another site that will support their browser.
    Most users just think that if a site doesn't work then the website is broken
    Last edited by msimplay; Wed 23 Dec '09, 3:35pm.

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  • Super Jinni
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    Originally posted by schwab2clarkson View Post
    No even I get what hitmancode is saying.
    Upgrade to IE8 if you have to use IE. If you don't still upgrade to the latest version so you can at least check your forum in that browser.
    Otherwise use a different browser
    It looks like you misunderstand what I wrote.
    It's not about me. It's about people who visit my site using IE6. We can't just ignore them.
    I'd like to say it might be somehow acceptable if not possible to make CSS and XHTML work right in IE6 (without tables), but that is possible, and phpBB prove it with their skin which look the same in all browsers.
    For upgrading matter, I was talking about my forum, not about my browser.

    Originally posted by Webbstre View Post
    How's this for an example: The website I am making targets college students around the world, mainly international students who rely on their university's computers for internet access. Many MANY MANY schools around the world leave old versions of Windows and IE6 on the computers and never upgrade. Yes, I know it's a stupid way to do things, but there is nothing I or my target audience can do about it. As a result, when I hire someone to do my theme I have to pay extra for them to develop theme fixes for IE6. It would be a lot less of a problem for everyone if there was some kind of IE6 fix out there like the original poster wants.
    That's one of many cases which force some users to use IE6. and for that we can't just make people to use other browsers.
    I've been working for days trying to make new style look the same -as possible- in IE6, but there are a lot of things that I couldn't figure out how to deal with till now. That's one of many reasons why I can't upgrade before the next release(s).

    I -somehow- feel disappointed after the gold release.
    Last edited by Super Jinni; Wed 23 Dec '09, 3:27pm.

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  • Webbstre
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    How's this for an example: The website I am making targets college students around the world, mainly international students who rely on their university's computers for internet access. Many MANY MANY schools around the world leave old versions of Windows and IE6 on the computers and never upgrade. Yes, I know it's a stupid way to do things, but there is nothing I or my target audience can do about it. As a result, when I hire someone to do my theme I have to pay extra for them to develop theme fixes for IE6. It would be a lot less of a problem for everyone if there was some kind of IE6 fix out there like the original poster wants.

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  • Mike Anime
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    my roomate bought a laptop with XP on it and it came with IE 7

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  • fortify
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    Originally posted by schwab2clarkson View Post
    No even I get what hitmancode is saying.
    Upgrade to IE8 if you have to use IE. If you don't still upgrade to the latest version so you can at least check your forum in that browser.
    Otherwise use a different browser
    Upgrading isn't a problem for him. The problem comes from visitors who are still using IE6. Is it really that hard to understand?

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  • carntheroos4eva
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    Originally posted by hitmancode47 View Post
    Quite simple really

    The Cure: Dont use IE6

    There are plenty of other browsers that are much more secure, reliable and dont have that problem

    Google Chrome being one of them.
    Or simply upgrade

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  • carntheroos4eva
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    Originally posted by Super Jinni View Post
    This is not a solution.
    For me, I don't use IE, I only use IE for designing purposes. But Hey, it's not about me, it's about the end users who use IE6 who still use IE6 for a reason or another. and we can't just force them to migrate to another browser, we just can't.



    Yes, I've noticed that phpBB's style is tabless and it really look the same in all browsers, I tested their site in IE5, IE6, and Opera. I don't know how they did it but they did it successfully.
    And you know what, when validating their site, it has none errors as XHTML 1.0 strict VS 1 error in vB as XHTML 1.0 transitional, and only 23 CSS errors VS 204 CSS errors in vB.
    Doesn't that make you wonder about vB designers and phpBB designers? it Does make me!




    I doesn't look as a forward thinking, Yes, vB is a great software, and maybe one of the best out there, but it has plenty designing issues.
    And again, whether we like it or not, there are people who still use IE6 for a reason or another, and we can't force them to change it or upgrade it.



    That's true, it doesn't matter whose problem is, in my site there are a lot of users who they still use IE6 (and believe it or not, there are some who still use IE5), and I'm sure they have their own reason why not to switch to another browser or upgrade their browsers.



    Indeed!

    IMHO, The best and pro designing is the one which look the same in all browsers, the old ones and the new ones.

    Till now, I couldn't upgrade because of the issue of IE6 and other bugs in the vB4.0 gold release. And to be honest, I don't think vB4.0 is ready to be gold yet, maybe RC it is.
    With all bugs in the new style, I'm wondering if it was a right step to upgrade my license to the vB4 suite!!!
    No even I get what hitmancode is saying.
    Upgrade to IE8 if you have to use IE. If you don't still upgrade to the latest version so you can at least check your forum in that browser.
    Otherwise use a different browser

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  • cbiweb
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    Originally posted by craig5320 View Post
    Regardless to whether you agree with supporting it or not, given the style differences between browsers on the modern browsers IE8, firefox etc, you can't say the default vB style doesn't need improvement.
    I never said nor inferred that.

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  • Super Jinni
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    Originally posted by hitmancode47 View Post
    Quite simple really

    The Cure: Dont use IE6

    There are plenty of other browsers that are much more secure, reliable and dont have that problem

    Google Chrome being one of them.
    This is not a solution.
    For me, I don't use IE, I only use IE for designing purposes. But Hey, it's not about me, it's about the end users who use IE6 who still use IE6 for a reason or another. and we can't just force them to migrate to another browser, we just can't.

    Originally posted by the geek View Post
    Are you guys seriously going to go have a heart to heart with the amount of IE6 users out there?

    IB should get a designer from phpBB to redo the skin. Their style is tabless and somehow magically works on IE6. Hell, it even looks the same on IE and FF rounded corners and all! I never thought i'd see the day where phpBB trumped vB.
    Yes, I've noticed that phpBB's style is tabless and it really look the same in all browsers, I tested their site in IE5, IE6, and Opera. I don't know how they did it but they did it successfully.
    And you know what, when validating their site, it has none errors as XHTML 1.0 strict VS 1 error in vB as XHTML 1.0 transitional, and only 23 CSS errors VS 204 CSS errors in vB.
    Doesn't that make you wonder about vB designers and phpBB designers? it Does make me!


    Originally posted by Mike Anime View Post
    thats because vB is forward thinking not backward thinking.

    i know why people get frustrated by being told to upgrade their browsers but honestley it is really simple to do and i wonder what other upgrades from windows they are ignoring. i find that a LOT of people not taking an IE upgrade are also neglecting securety patches for windows aswell.
    It doesn't look as a forward thinking, Yes, vB is a great software, and maybe one of the best out there, but it has plenty designing issues.
    And again, whether we like it or not, there are people who still use IE6 for a reason or another, and we can't force them to change it or upgrade it.

    Originally posted by fortify View Post
    Does it matter whose problem it is? If IE6 users can't use your site then you will lose a good amount of your visitors.
    That's true, it doesn't matter whose problem is, in my site there are a lot of users who they still use IE6 (and believe it or not, there are some who still use IE5), and I'm sure they have their own reason why not to switch to another browser or upgrade their browsers.

    Originally posted by craig5320 View Post
    While we can't be backwards compatible forever, hence the reason their aren't many "OMG IE5.5 doesn't work with vB!!" threads, I cannot accept "upgrade your browser", as a reasonable response on these matters...
    ...
    Regardless to whether you agree with supporting it or not, given the style differences between browsers on the modern browsers IE8, firefox etc, you can't say the default vB style doesn't need improvement.
    Indeed!

    IMHO, The best and pro designing is the one which look the same in all browsers, the old ones and the new ones.

    Till now, I couldn't upgrade because of the issue of IE6 and other bugs in the vB4.0 gold release. And to be honest, I don't think vB4.0 is ready to be gold yet, maybe RC it is.
    With all bugs in the new style, I'm wondering if it was a right step to upgrade my license to the vB4 suite!!!
    Last edited by Super Jinni; Wed 23 Dec '09, 3:13pm.

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  • craig5320
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    While we can't be backwards compatible forever, hence the reason their aren't many "OMG IE5.5 doesn't work with vB!!" threads, I cannot accept "upgrade your browser", as a reasonable response on these matters. I have over 100k visitors a month who are still actively using IE6, that's 100k visitors I don't want to close the door on. IE6 is the default browser of XP. XP comes pre-installed on many brand new netbooks that I could go out and buy from any large computer store tomorrow.

    Regardless to whether you agree with supporting it or not, given the style differences between browsers on the modern browsers IE8, firefox etc, you can't say the default vB style doesn't need improvement.

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  • fortify
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    Does it matter whose problem it is? If IE6 users can't use your site then you will lose a good amount of your visitors.

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  • cbiweb
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    I just had a real life experience related to upgrading software. A friend of mine told me an hour or so ago that his email to me keeps getting bounced back because I'm using Windows Live Mail. Well.... he's also using Outlook Express. I didn't go into it with him about the situation because I know him to be a know-it-all with computers, and it doesn't matter what I say, I'll be wrong. But the fact is, if my modern software is stopping him from emailing me.... that's just not my problem.

    If IB writes software made for modern browsers, and some people can't use it because they insist on using ancient browsers..... whose problem is that?

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