Why Pay?

[ZippySLC]

How does one know that the vB in question was nulled?

[Sir Nick]

How does one know that the vB in question was nulled?

easy way to check it has a checker called gysn checker checks for all vbulletin.com call backs and tells you if nulled or not.

[nforums]

Why pay, I've reported about 9 sites using nulled vbulletin and nothing has happened. also im tried of people posting nulled vbulletin all over the web something needs to be done.

Just because everyone is out stealing cars, does that mean you're going to also. It's called morals, thats why you pay.

I know i've ran nulled vbulleitn once or twice to see features and stuff and thats what made me get it. But its getting sad that nothing gets done.

Im just saying cause i went on a site (won't name but it has team in it and has .info) and guess what i could get vbulletin 4 gold for free the hull bundle. Wow 4 hours and its already nulled and posted come-on do something.

There isn't much that can be done to that site obviously or else it already would have been. They are probably in a country that doesn't obey US law, and nothing will ever be done about it.

Remember you aren't the internet police, and you get nothing for reporting these nulled sites or sites that distribute them, unless of course it excites you some and then I guess whatever, but I can think of better things to do than someone elses job that gets paid for it.

[Sir Nick]

Just because everyone is out stealing cars, does that mean you're going to also. It's called morals, thats why you pay.



There isn't much that can be done to that site obviously or else it already would have been. They are probably in a country that doesn't obey US law, and nothing will ever be done about it.

Remember you aren't the internet police, and you get nothing for reporting these nulled sites or sites that distribute them, unless of course it excites you some and then I guess whatever, but I can think of better things to do than someone elses job that gets paid for it.

yes i know but it ruins the hull point of paying to use it.

[razing]

yes i know but it ruins the hull point of paying to use it.

That's true only if you believe that the whole point of paying to use vB is that everyone else is paying, too.

If you are not a thief, then the whole point of paying to use it is that you, well, get to use it. And you get the support that only licensed customers get. That's something, isn't it?

[Sir Nick]

That's true only if you believe that the whole point of paying to use vB is that everyone else is paying, too.

If you are not a thief, then the whole point of paying to use it is that you, well, get to use it. And you get the support that only licensed customers get. That's something, isn't it?

Yea support is something, but they can ask licensed users to go here and post for a fix. I've seen this happen a few times.

[Shotglass]

Delifed you immature child!

Yea support is something, but they can ask licensed users to go here and post for a fix. I've seen this happen a few times.

Delifed please stop acting like such a child and shut your mouth and get on with what you have to get on with please ok! So you paid for your software and other people are not at the end of the day you get a better deal by paying for it even though it's overpriced considering there are no packaging costs and vbulletin will certainly be making a packet already so let other people be responsible for their jobs while you act your part of the consumer who bought a product. Think you wasted your money now well tough luck son think before you buy something in future.! We don't need to read your whining drivel on here its pointless and a waste of space.

[PharaohsVizier]

What's the point of buying a car? There is at least one successful car thief out there. What's the point of paying for cable, tons of people get away with stealing it. Honestly, you name something, and it's probably been stolen and there's at least one successful guy doing it. If you are going to talk about odds, go and steal a piece of fruit from a grocery store, I'm willing to be you won't be caught, it's a one in a billion chance you'll get caught with an apple in your pocket. You want to lower the chances more, go steal a single grape, and yes there are people who do that too, are you going to stop paying for fruit for the rest of your life because you can potentially steal grapes here and there and avoid paying?

[MikeLac]

This is my first post to this Forum! Been a Vbulletin user for exactly 1 day now!

I have to update my profile still. But a quick introduction. My name is Mike. I am from Wainwright, Alberta, Canada. 40 years old. Wife and a 10 yr old daughter, 8 yr old son.

I downloaded a Nulled version of Vbulletin 4 last week. Used Bittorrent.

Why did I do this? Because I wanted to purchase the Software and I knew I could not because my Credit Card was at its limit. So, I made a payment to my Credit Card middle of last week. It always takes a few business days for a payment to get credited to my Credit Card account. But I could not wait to play with Vbulletin! My payment showed up on the weekend and I purchased it yesterday. Just in time to still get in on the Pre Sale!

I downloaded Vbulletin from the Members area. I deleted the database and all of the Vbulletin files from my server (The illegal copy). Then I installed the legal version.

Why did I purchase it when I had the nulled version? Because I am treating my Forum as a serious business. I have some big plans for my Forum and it is going to grow rapidly. The $235 purchase price is going to be peanuts compared to the amount that I am going to make from my site. I have several years of experience with building web sites and generating revenue from them. Mainly from Affiliate marketing and Adsense. Oddly enough, I have no experience with Forums. I've been around Internet marketers long enough to know how they use their Forums to make money. Search Engines love Forums! Fresh, relevant and always updated content.

The Support and Members area is worth it. If I have a problem, I don't have to ask my friend to ask his friends Mothers cousin who happened to purchase it to ask Support the questions for me. When an update is released, I know about it right away and I just go to the members area to get it. I don't have to hunt for it. Not like it is hard to find an illegal copy. Just do a Google search and you'll easily find one. Also, you don't know if the illegal copy has been tampered with. Think about it. Vbulletin obviously uses the Internet. A skilled programmer could alter some of the files to run a script that passes sensitive information back to their server. I had previously created a PHP script to do just that with a Software program that I had developed. Nothing to do with Vbulletin. And I am far from a skilled PHP programmer. And it worked better than I expected!

These are just some of the reasons to purchase the Software rather than use it illegally. I could list several others.

Am I bitter that I paid for it when others download it illegally? Not at all! I had it in my hands before I paid for it. I could have continued to use it illegally if I really wanted to. Like I mentioned, there are many more reasons to pay for it other than moral values.

And before I read this thread, I had no idea that you could go to a site that uses Vbulletin and tell if it is pirated or not!

Mike

[FreshFroot_]

This is my first post to this Forum! Been a Vbulletin user for exactly 1 day now!

I have to update my profile still. But a quick introduction. My name is Mike. I am from Wainwright, Alberta, Canada. 40 years old. Wife and a 10 yr old daughter, 8 yr old son.

I downloaded a Nulled version of Vbulletin 4 last week. Used Bittorrent.

Why did I do this? Because I wanted to purchase the Software and I knew I could not because my Credit Card was at its limit. So, I made a payment to my Credit Card middle of last week. It always takes a few business days for a payment to get credited to my Credit Card account. But I could not wait to play with Vbulletin! My payment showed up on the weekend and I purchased it yesterday. Just in time to still get in on the Pre Sale!

I downloaded Vbulletin from the Members area. I deleted the database and all of the Vbulletin files from my server (The illegal copy). Then I installed the legal version.

Why did I purchase it when I had the nulled version? Because I am treating my Forum as a serious business. I have some big plans for my Forum and it is going to grow rapidly. The $235 purchase price is going to be peanuts compared to the amount that I am going to make from my site. I have several years of experience with building web sites and generating revenue from them. Mainly from Affiliate marketing and Adsense. Oddly enough, I have no experience with Forums. I've been around Internet marketers long enough to know how they use their Forums to make money. Search Engines love Forums! Fresh, relevant and always updated content.

The Support and Members area is worth it. If I have a problem, I don't have to ask my friend to ask his friends Mothers cousin who happened to purchase it to ask Support the questions for me. When an update is released, I know about it right away and I just go to the members area to get it. I don't have to hunt for it. Not like it is hard to find an illegal copy. Just do a Google search and you'll easily find one. Also, you don't know if the illegal copy has been tampered with. Think about it. Vbulletin obviously uses the Internet. A skilled programmer could alter some of the files to run a script that passes sensitive information back to their server. I had previously created a PHP script to do just that with a Software program that I had developed. Nothing to do with Vbulletin. And I am far from a skilled PHP programmer. And it worked better than I expected!

These are just some of the reasons to purchase the Software rather than use it illegally. I could list several others.

Am I bitter that I paid for it when others download it illegally? Not at all! I had it in my hands before I paid for it. I could have continued to use it illegally if I really wanted to. Like I mentioned, there are many more reasons to pay for it other than moral values.

And before I read this thread, I had no idea that you could go to a site that uses Vbulletin and tell if it is pirated or not!

Mike

Good to see another legal license holder.

However, don't get your hopes up in being big. We have LOTS of members, who think they can get rich with forums..... Majority of them do not make much. Not trying to blow your bubble here, but don't expect it will be easy. To many members here have had their dreams broken.

It's best to use the forum niche as a hobby.. at least that way you can't fail.

[MikeLac]

Good to see another legal license holder.

However, don't get your hopes up in being big. We have LOTS of members, who think they can get rich with forums..... Majority of them do not make much. Not trying to blow your bubble here, but don't expect it will be easy. To many members here have had their dreams broken.

It's best to use the forum niche as a hobby.. at least that way you can't fail.

Yes, that is very true. But you know why most people fail? They figure that they can throw up a Forum and put little work into it and people will automatically find it and click on the Adsense ads and they will make money. Does not work that way. They put up a Forum and have no clue how to promote it and get traffic to it. It is the same as opening up a store in the middle of the desert. I have been involved in Online marketing ventures where 95% of the people lose money. Those 95% then go on to various Forums and spend their time whining and moaning about how it doesn't work and it's all a scam. What do I do? I do all that I can to find out what that 5% does that the 95% don't do. Mainly, the 5% are willing to put in the time and effort to make it work. The 95% are the ones that do very little and jump from one money making scheme to another. The 95% are looking for get rich quick schemes where you can get rich by spending little time and effort. The 5% know that they do not exist. The 5% are willing to spend the time and effort that it takes to make it work. The 95% want to make money NOW. If they don't make money with in a week or two, then they give up and move on to something else. Always looking for short cuts. The 5% realize that it takes a lot of work and effort in order to get things going without seeing much reward for their efforts for 6 Months and even longer!

I live in a city called Wainwright. I'm fairly well known. So, my Forum is going to be a Wainwright and surrounding Communities Forum. Organizations can list their community events, businesses can post about their business, etc. A well known Realtor in the Wainwright area is going to have his own section on the Forum for Wainwright and area Real Estate. An Ask the expert type. He is very well known and has a lot of connections. But the Forum would quickly get boring if it was only about Wainwright business and community events. There will be many more topics.

Before I even think of telling others about the Forum, I am going to be very busy making many posts and creating lots of articles. First impressions! It will be a little awkward when it first launches just because there isn't going to be that many members right at the beginning. Kind of like walking into an empty building. Every Forum starts out that way. Can't have 50,000 members without getting member number 2 and 3 first! Anyone can create a Forum and get members to sign up. But the trick is to get those members to keep coming back. But the real trick is to provide the members with a lot of Fantastic information so that they can't wait to tell their friends about it. Word of mouth advertising is the best kind. Free!

I will make sure to post about my Forum as an example of how others can make a successful Forum. But that will be at least 6 Months from now. I'm one of the few that is willing to invest a tremendous amount of time in order to provide my Members with a ton of top quality useful information to make them want to keep coming back day after day.

By the way, the new features of 4.0 is what pushed me over the edge in deciding to finally start a Forum. I've used article marketing to drive traffic to my sites for several years. I'm all about Content. Useful, relevant content. The content features of 4.0 has me drooling right now!

[carntheroos4eva]

Lol thats if they catch you which they never do.

Most of us have paid for licenses on here that's why we can post.
If you haven't bought a license and you are running boards that run and use vB.com software you will get shutdown and possibly locked up by police for piracy.

[minimock2000]

I was running a nulled version to try it out... Apparantly I tried it out too long LOL, I got caught. But the folks here were nice enough to let me buy a license after being caught with my hand in the cookie jar. That has resulted in 28 bought licenses for vbulletin since then for my clients. They could have strung me up, but instead they made 28 more customers.

I learned my lesson but GOOD lol. Im sure there are others here that are now legal that got caught too and wont admit it.

Besides it being the right thing to do...... there is a saying ........ "The mill grinds slow, but grinds exceedingly fine" plus you sleep better at night not waiting on the email you get from the gentleman they hired to come after you.

[MattyAsia]

Well thats were people get off-shore hosting.

But what im trying to get to is that nulling vbulletin is starting to rise and it only takes about 1 hour to null and release.

1 hour? I could null it in under 5 minutes, that's not the point... that's part of the nature of PHP, and why vBulletin is so popular, it can be changed and modded. It' not feasable to try and make it unnullable, because it's not possible without destroying the product. No mater how much effort is put in, it will be beaten, that's a fact that has to be lived with.

Well then why bother paying? Thats what im getting at.

It's the right and ethical thing to do, and anyone who is serious about making a site or forum using this software will use a licensed version. Not to mention the support that is offered for being a real member.

Well then why bother paying? Thats what im getting at.

If people don't pay... vB goes out of business, and then no more vBulletin.

[lim (x³-7x²) = ∞]

you get files without trojans
you get support access
you get vb.org access