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  • barcena
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    Originally posted by wantadmag View Post
    Where were you when the valid arguments were going on here when Jelsoft/IB sent out the first email to "All Customers" regarding "VB 4.0 UPGRADING, ACTIVE, EXPIRED, PRE-SALE, DISCOUNTS ETC...." and all the other VB 4.0 pre-release arguements? Now if you decided to not upgrade to VB 4.0 suite for the "Limited Time" discount price and "BEFORE THE RELEASE OF VB 4.0 BETA" then it's your loss and no one elses problem. So live with your lifes decissions and just wait until VB 4.0 goes "GOLD" then it will be available to you. I mean really we are way past this part.

    I don't know where she was, I was at home struggling to make the month ends and didn't bought on pre-release and never had the intention to because, (excuse me if I'm wrong but I have no plans to change), I don't buy things I CANNOT SEE. At the time of the pre-sale madness not even vbulletin was running on the new version, now that I have SEEN what is the 4.0 all about I'm waiting to see what happens and get it on Gold when the BETA, ALPHA or CENTAURUS testings are finish.

    I have no intention on buying a product full or bugs and not really ready yet.

    Now I have seen more and I can say that I will stick to vB but because I have no desire to change into another platform and yes, I like what I'm seeing so far, but I also have to say that what we are getting doesn't justify the price, 90% of the 4.0 suite is no more than 3.8 on steroids with a hand of fresh paint.

    I don't mind to pay for a product but I don't like AT ALL the way Jelfson/IB have done this and still keeps doing it.

    In my opinion vB 4.0 was not ready to go on the market even as a Beta product, they should of have those 1000 coders working and paying from the company's pockets like every other enterprise and when they eventually end it up with a great product then release it and charge for it, that's the way serious companys act, not showing a little piece of the pie to watering the client's mouth to sell an unfinished product in order to play with the money they are cashing out to pay the bills, we are paying for the company to do research, coding and developing.

    By the time the Gold version (with less bugs and problems) will be on the street my Licence will be mega expired and we went from 60 bucks to three digits so they are not giving us nothing, they are not giving us a present or a gift, stop acting like if they were doing us a big favor!, WE ARE PAYING -and not cheap- for their product. As much as I like vB I have to say the way this whole transition has been done left A LOT to be desire and it is outrageous to see people pretending that we act as thanks-givers and fan-boys and saying that is right were is wrong as if the company were doing us a favor, flash: they are not.

    We may like the software, we may be loyal customers, we may don't want to pass trough the hassle of migrating our big forums to a new platform, but we are not blind and we deserve some respect, we are sick of the whole superiority complex because without us there's no vBulletin, period.
    Last edited by barcena; Sat 19 Dec '09, 6:40am.

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  • levaiz
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  • levaiz
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    So... what we can do ?

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  • ChopSuey
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  • ChopSuey
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    I see where your going Nazia. But, that has been discussed when the pre-sale event started. Everyone was raging about prices and people getting banned threads being deleted. Stuff like that.
    Some people are happy with the pricing structure.

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  • Aachi
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    Originally posted by Mike Anime View Post

    as long as you get a 4.0 licence you dont pay anything more till vB 5.0 comes out that could be a year from now or five years from now. who knows when 5.0 will be launched not even the vB devs know that date there has been talk of a time frame of 18-24 months that is just speculation at this time even though it seems to have come from someone in vB itself.

    with 4.0 there is no more renewal prices even when 4.1, 4.2, etc comes out unlike the past no matter how many years the 4.x.x series is out for
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    I already had paid 180$ for VB 3.8.4 patch level1 in October. now on next year when my that license will expire they are asking more 175$ again for Vb 4. They are treating us as a New customer. not thinking that we already had paid too much to them.


    i know there will be no renewal fee.
    but for 1 month old user (like me) or for the Old license owners; there is renewal fee that is 175$.


    If they are releasing VB 5.x.x in 3 years
    Then renewal fee will be 40+40+40 = 120$
    which is again less than 175$

    and you can see each VB version always has little bit Bug. you are saying that we can download VB 4.0, but till our expiry date, It is Okay, but that version will not be bug free, again we have to pay exact 175$ to get bug free version.

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  • Mike Anime
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  • Mike Anime
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    Originally posted by Aachi View Post
    i purchased because i thought they will allow me to upgrade license for 40$/anum as they already allowing for another allowing for other license,
    As they announce here
    http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=221106

    but after 10 to 15 days the changed everything...

    i am upset because i can not download other updates after 4 oct 2010. to do this i have to renew license cost 175$ before expiry,


    they emailed us all with two weeks to upgrade our licences at a HUGE discount. they had a forum post about it at the same time.


    am i disapointed they changed their pricing polecy with just two weeks notice yes sure who wouldn't be. seeing how they changed the renewal polecy when 3.6 (or wast it 3.7) came out i knew a major change was comming with the 4.0 realease so i renued a month before the announcment of the change over to 4.0 luckily my licence was active status back then so the renewal was 40.00 and then a month later i got SUITE upgrade for 130.00

    there a good many people complaining and useing mac and windows along with other software out there to compare with one thread even compared vB to xbox and other gaming systems. this is unfair as forum software is not in the same leauge as gaming consoles or even other software.

    as long as you get a 4.0 licence you dont pay anything more till vB 5.0 comes out that could be a year from now or five years from now. who knows when 5.0 will be launched not even the vB devs know that date there has been talk of a time frame of 18-24 months that is just speculation at this time even though it seems to have come from someone in vB itself.

    with 4.0 there is no more renewal prices even when 4.1, 4.2, etc comes out unlike the past no matter how many years the 4.x.x series is out for.

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  • sportsfi
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  • sportsfi
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    Ray and numerous others have said they hope to have it in Gold Release before the end of 2009.

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  • Too Tall
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  • Too Tall
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    Pardon the interruption. Anyone have a read on when V4 goes gold?

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  • sportsfi
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  • sportsfi
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    Originally posted by Reeve of Shinra View Post
    Its the little things like that hurt vb 's reputation
    So you don't want them to open up the BETA to you? Now I am confused I thought that was what you were having a cry about!

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  • Reeve of Shinra
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  • Reeve of Shinra
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    Its the little things like that hurt vb 's reputation

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  • mlx
    Senior Member

  • mlx
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    Originally posted by Ray Morgan View Post
    We have decided to go ahead and open up beta to the largest possible audience. Instead of waiting for the gold release, active license holders will be given access to beta. We should be able to have this in place by the end of the day on Monday (Pacific time).
    Thank you for this!

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  • sportsfi
    Senior Member

  • sportsfi
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    You have a great day to enjoy it. It was said those that purchased vb4 will get the BETA - did you purchase it NO which is why you don't have it. However when GOLD version is released BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR (so everyone talking months is full of crap) you will be able to upgrade for FREE.

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  • Aachi
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    Originally posted by wantadmag View Post
    So you bought your license on 10/4/2009? Why would you do that when we knew VB 4.0 was in production and they would be changing license TOS & pricing?
    i purchased because i thought they will allow me to upgrade license for 40$/anum as they already allowing for another allowing for other license,
    As they announce here
    http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=221106

    but after 10 to 15 days the changed everything...
    Originally posted by wantadmag View Post
    That is a chance you decided to take "Now Your Upset". I don't understand why you would be upset as it has been said many many many many times here as well as posted on the sales page that you will get a free upgrade to VB 4.0 Forum "WHEN IT IS GOLD" they are rewarding customers who had faith in them and went for the upgrade to "VB 4.0 SUITE" for the limited time pre-sale price of $130.00. It sounds like you decided not to upgrade to suite for $130.00 so "No Big Deal" you just have to wait to get your "FREE UPGRADE" but again it won't be available or an option until "GOLD" is released. So just hang in there and you will get it. And yes it will only be good until your license reaches it expire date. That's why they are saying you can toss us $$175.00 now and save yourself $20.00 off the regular price later which at that point there will be no sale for anyone. So all you have to do is swollow your pride and look at it as you are paying for support in advanced at a discount just like there other support discount worked year after year but if you waited until the last minute the you pay more. At this rate it looks like you will be paying more. Just look at how much money you could have saved if you would have just upgraded in the begining. You can walk the dog to the water but you can't make him drink it.
    i am upset because i can not download other updates after 4 oct 2010. to do this i have to renew license cost 175$ before expiry,
    Last edited by Aachi; Sat 14 Nov '09, 4:03am.

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  • Aachi
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    Originally posted by Ray Morgan View Post
    Good summary, and that was the plan.

    We have decided to go ahead and open up beta to the largest possible audience. Instead of waiting for the gold release, active license holders will be given access to beta. We should be able to have this in place by the end of the day on Monday (Pacific time).
    but whats about this?

    http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showt...=1#post1839490

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  • Ray Morgan
    Former vBulletin General Manager

  • Ray Morgan
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    Originally posted by Sheps View Post
    There seems to be a few misunderstandings here.
    1) vB3 license holders get a upgrade to vB4 when it goes gold
    2) vB4 beta 3 is available as a perk to people who have paid to upgrade to the new licensing agreement which features:
    Good summary, and that was the plan.

    We have decided to go ahead and open up beta to the largest possible audience. Instead of waiting for the gold release, active license holders will be given access to beta. We should be able to have this in place by the end of the day on Monday (Pacific time).

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  • wantadmag
    Member

  • wantadmag
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    So you bought your license on 10/4/2009? Why would you do that when we knew VB 4.0 was in production and they would be changing license TOS & pricing? That is a chance you decided to take "Now Your Upset". I don't understand why you would be upset as it has been said many many many many times here as well as posted on the sales page that you will get a free upgrade to VB 4.0 Forum "WHEN IT IS GOLD" they are rewarding customers who had faith in them and went for the upgrade to "VB 4.0 SUITE" for the limited time pre-sale price of $130.00. It sounds like you decided not to upgrade to suite for $130.00 so "No Big Deal" you just have to wait to get your "FREE UPGRADE" but again it won't be available or an option until "GOLD" is released. So just hang in there and you will get it. And yes it will only be good until your license reaches it expire date. That's why they are saying you can toss us $$175.00 now and save yourself $20.00 off the regular price later which at that point there will be no sale for anyone. So all you have to do is swollow your pride and look at it as you are paying for support in advanced at a discount just like there other support discount worked year after year but if you waited until the last minute the you pay more. At this rate it looks like you will be paying more. Just look at how much money you could have saved if you would have just upgraded in the begining. You can walk the dog to the water but you can't make him drink it.

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