Are you allowed to sell your vB license?

[ChadsMach1]

Would I be allowed to sell my vB 4 license (forum or suite) if I wanted to in the future? I read the FAQ and could not find any mention of if or even how a license can be sold. If I buy a license, it is mine and I am free to sell it in the future correct? Would I also have to give up the username to this site to the new owner to go along with it, or can the license transfer to their account? Just curious in case I buy and decide to sell in the future. Thanks!

[Steve Machol]

This is covered by the same transfer rules we've had in the license agreement:

http://www.vbulletin.com/order/license_agreement.php

[bahoginbill]

To many words... I'm guess no.

[ChadsMach1]

This is covered by the same transfer rules we've had in the license agreement:

http://www.vbulletin.com/order/license_agreement.php

Thanks for the reply with link, but all that lawyer talk did not answer all of my questions. Can you give me a answer to the following questions please?

Selling a license is permitted as long as I have owned it for at least 90 days and I destroy copies of the software after the sale.

Is the license tied to my account/username or can it be transferred to the buyers vB account/username? My concern here is in the event that I decided to sell, the license is transferable from one account to another and I would not have to give the buyer my account and login to accompany it.

Thanks for your help.

[Steve Machol]

From the agreement:

You may make a one-time, permanent transfer of your rights in the Software to a third party ("Subsequent Licensee"), provided the Software was purchased by you more than 90 days prior to the transfer, that you do not keep a copy of the Software for yourself, the Subsequent Licensee agrees to the terms of this Agreement and the License, and the Subsequent Licensee agrees to assume your rights as a licensee of the Software. You must disclose the domain where you are using (or plan to use) the License, which may be disclosed in the vBulletin registered members area.

[slinky]

From the agreement:

I'm not sure what the agreement says - if you outright purchased vBulletin 4, then it's a 90 day wait period until you can sell. But what if you purchased a prior version and upgraded? It would seem that you can sell your rights to all the licenses of your software after 90 days from the first time you acutally purchased the software. However, if you read it very carefully, it could mean that "the software" only applies to version 4 (even though you're using 3.8) which would then mean that people will be waiting until around January 15-30 (90 days from the day you upgraded) to sell their vBulletin 4 licenses. This may need to be clarified directly from Internet Brands. Just an unofficial review of the license.

[Steve Machol]

That's correct. The upgrade is not considered a new license purchase for transfer purposes. The 90 days is for the purchase date of the original license.

[ChadsMach1]

From the agreement:

I read that. I just want to make sure that there are no "gotcha's" before I made a commitment to your company. Just to make sure this information is perfectly clear, I can sell my "owned" license assuming that I have owned it for at least 90 days and destroy any copies after the sale. The new buyer gets the same product I had with the same benefits (upgrades, etc). Nothing further prevents me from doing this, correct? I need a yes or no answer please. If you need to explain anything further please do (thats the purpose of my post is to make sure I fully understand the rules).

This also does not answer my second question. While the link you provided was helpful for the most part with my first question, I still need further clarification on my second one. Is the license I purchase tied to me by my name, by my vbulletin.com account, or .....? When the license is sold, what changes? Do I log into a member control panel and process a transfer? Would I open a support ticket and request it to be transfered to the new buyers account? Do I have to give up control of the account/username that I registered it under to the new buyer so they may get the updates?

Thanks for your help with this.

[Steve Machol]

You would contact us via a support ticket and request a transfer. We would first verify the license is eligible for transfer, and if it is we will ask for information to verify you are the license owner. If all goes well the new owner would get a new account with this license and you will no longer have access to his account and license, and he would never have access to your info.

Other than that I have answered this the best I can. Each transfer request will be considered on it's own merits. I cannot give you a 100% guarantee that you will be able to transfer your license. If that is what you need then I'm afraid we can't provide that.

[ChadsMach1]

Other than that I have answered this the best I can. Each transfer request will be considered on it's own merits. I cannot give you a 100% guarantee that you will be able to transfer your license. If that is what you need then I'm afraid we can't provide that.

Steve, that is what I was looking for, thank you. I take this as if your account is in good standings, and you haven't been convicted of any illegal activities such as what is outlined in the agreement (rent, sublicense, assign, lease, loan, resell for profit, distribute, engage in illegal activities, remove the copyright info...etc) then there would be no problems with a license transfer? I just want to make sure that a transfer would not just be denied for no apparent reason and some action (breech of agreement) would have to occur to make a transfer not eligible from within your company. Sorry for all the questions, but I have to make sure of these things since I am buying a product I can't test drive. I have to make sure that my investment can be recouped if needed in the future assuming I am in good standings.

Thanks for your help.

[slinky]

Steve, thank you for making this clear to all of us.

[Mike Anime]

i bought a vB licence and about a year and a half years "sold" it to a friend and about a year after his site went offline for good i got it back from him now i have the 4.0 suite and in all it cost me 170.00 for the upgrade.

let me explain why it was 170.00 insyead of 130.00.......... last year i got the licence back and payed for the download access then last month i renewed my download access for 40.00 and during the presales event i took advantage of the 130.00 upgrade to the suite so the 40.00 last month and 130.00 this month is 170.00