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  • IgorGabrielan
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    http://forumcon.com/images/forumcon-agenda.pdf

    http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?s...2527842&type=3

    New features of vBulletin 5 Connect will include:

    Sleek new UI with extensive social integration
    Category-leading mobile optimization
    Simplified site set up, customization and management
    New core architecture for improved search, better performance and easier modifications
    Dynamic tools for content discovery
    Expanded photo and video sharing capabilities
    Full integration with VigLink
    More than 100 other new features and enhancements

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  • ra87
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    Originally posted by Mike Anime View Post
    i have done the math and paying per version number is cheaper than the yearly renewal thing. i have been running 3.x.x on my site since 2004 i have shelled out over 250.00 just for the upgrade access that does not include the support price eather.
    You must have lost count the amount of times you failed math class. Its NOT cheaper, not for new customers or existing customers.

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  • tokenyank
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    LOL

    Originally posted by FullyTested View Post
    Just had a bowel movement. had to flush the toilet 3 times. I figure it must have cost me at least $0.25
    Damnit! You can add another $0.25 to your running total because you just made me spit my coffee all over my desk!






    On topic... People love to whine about new pricing structures - especially if those people have been loyal customers and feel like they are being taken advantage of or disregarded. New comers to vB will likely not bat an eyelash to the new licensing structure simply because they have nothing else to compare it with.

    I, like many others here, have found this new business model a very bitter pill to swallow because I have been a loyal customer for years. Two things made me pay for the pre-release vB4; 1) I didn't want to get whacked by the full price version once it was Gold and 2) I simply love vB and will not use another forum software package.

    That said, I do hope that IB/Jelsoft/vB/et al pay attention to their loyal customers. It isn't a secret that social networking sites have made a very large hole in what used to be online communities (forums). If vB screws up this model or rolls out vB5 too soon after vB4 forcing customers to pay another exhortation fee (compared to previous upgrades), I foresee an en mass departure from vB to set up communities using myspace/facebook/bebo/whatever clones which are available everywhere. Or, going to ExpressionEngine or Vivvo which are long established and well respected CMS's with a solid forum add-on.

    vB will always have a place in my heart... But, so will my old '67 Ford that I sent to the junk yard last year... No matter how much you love something, if it becomes economically non-viable or you feel like you're being taken advantaged of by a company... There *is* a breaking point and people will walk away.

    Just my $.02 worth.

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  • feldon23
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    Originally posted by Chael View Post
    Start a poll and find out.
    Polls have been started and deleted. The only way to have a proper discussion about this is on another forum.

    Originally posted by Bill_ View Post
    What I like about the VB community is that there usually isn't a bunch of FreeTards whining about paying a couple hundred bucks every couple of years to get software they love to use.
    Wow. I've been with vBulletin for 9 years, answering thousands of support questions, but I'm a "FreeTard".

    Originally posted by Mike Anime View Post
    box wine is great in taste and value.
    If you don't mind the massive splitting headache.

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  • tickedon
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    Originally posted by Chael View Post
    Are there really 100K license out there? That seem enormously high, but I've never really thought about it. However, if that is really the case...think about the overall cash flow that creates, just on a one time purchase basis. With that kind of income, I would think they could be a faster production schedule than they have.

    As for pricing, again if there are 100k license...supply and demand. We'll see where the pricing takes them.
    The details were all taken from the SEC filings made by Invision Board.

    20,000 new licenses were sold in 2008.

    The only revenue figure I saw was for the last half of 2007 after Jelsoft were bought, $2 million in revenue for half a year just on vBulletin.

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  • Mark.B
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    Originally posted by Bill_ View Post
    Go figure, it cost me 1100 bucks for tires today. Another 70 for gas. The wife wanted wine when I picked up the groceries. $18 for the wine plus 250 for the groceries. Hair cut was another 16 bucks.

    Down here in Costa Rica they only guarantee (pro rated) those damn tires for 30 days. I'm used to being treated better than that. For example, I get my questions answered fast on this vb form. And they've done that for years. I load the software and don't screw with it, it works perfectly, every time.

    I'm designing a WordPress Membership Website for a guy right now. WordPress is free, but aMember is 179. He's bought some other crap to throw into the site. A couple of hundred bucks more. I gotta charge him about $800 bucks, probably more when the smoke clears.

    What I like about the VB community is that there usually isn't a bunch of FreeTards whining about paying a couple hundred bucks every couple of years to get software they love to use.

    vBulletin should limit the number of vb4 copies they release to about half of what would normally be sold. Next year the same whiners will be lining up just for a chance to buy the awesome software.

    I should be the only one whining on this forum. $18 bucks for a bottle of wine. Give me a break!
    The people complaining are not freetards. They have already bought the software, and simply want to continue getting what they paid for, on the same terms under which they agreed to pay for them.

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  • kyrgyz
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    Originally posted by Bill_ View Post
    vBulletin should limit the number of vb4 copies they release to about half of what would normally be sold. Next year the same whiners will be lining up just for a chance to buy the awesome software.
    VBulletin ain't Ferrari. One such try and the ignored half will march to IPB.

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  • FullyTested
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    Originally posted by Bill_ View Post
    Go figure, it cost me 1100 bucks for tires today. Another 70 for gas. The wife wanted wine when I picked up the groceries. $18 for the wine plus 250 for the groceries. Hair cut was another 16 bucks.

    Its great that you like VB and will pay whatever they ask when they ask, but why do you think your daily expenses are at all relevant????

    I woke up this morning and had a cup of coffee for $0.50, then a bowl of cereal (no guarantee on that at all. At least your tires have some kind of guarantee). Milk for the cereal was $0.18, cereal $0.56, yogurt was $0.50.

    Should I update this post as my day goes on?

    Edit:
    Just had a bowel movement. had to flush the toilet 3 times. I figure it must have cost me at least $0.25
    Last edited by FullyTested; Sun 18th Oct '09, 11:31pm.

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  • Mike Anime
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    Originally posted by Bill_ View Post
    Go figure, it cost me 1100 bucks for tires today. Another 70 for gas. The wife wanted wine when I picked up the groceries. $18 for the wine plus 250 for the groceries. Hair cut was another 16 bucks.

    Down here in Costa Rica they only guarantee (pro rated) those damn tires for 30 days. I'm used to being treated better than that. For example, I get my questions answered fast on this vb form. And they've done that for years. I load the software and don't screw with it, it works perfectly, every time.

    I'm designing a WordPress Membership Website for a guy right now. WordPress is free, but aMember is 179. He's bought some other crap to throw into the site. A couple of hundred bucks more. I gotta charge him about $800 bucks, probably more when the smoke clears.

    What I like about the VB community is that there usually isn't a bunch of FreeTards whining about paying a couple hundred bucks every couple of years to get software they love to use.

    vBulletin should limit the number of vb4 copies they release to about half of what would normally be sold. Next year the same whiners will be lining up just for a chance to buy the awesome software.

    I should be the only one whining on this forum. $18 bucks for a bottle of wine. Give me a break!


    box wine is great in taste and value.

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  • SiteSmarty
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    I had to pay for my tires today.

    Go figure, it cost me 1100 bucks for tires today. Another 70 for gas. The wife wanted wine when I picked up the groceries. $18 for the wine plus 250 for the groceries. Hair cut was another 16 bucks.

    Down here in Costa Rica they only guarantee (pro rated) those damn tires for 30 days. I'm used to being treated better than that. For example, I get my questions answered fast on this vb form. And they've done that for years. I load the software and don't screw with it, it works perfectly, every time.

    I'm designing a WordPress Membership Website for a guy right now. WordPress is free, but aMember is 179. He's bought some other crap to throw into the site. A couple of hundred bucks more. I gotta charge him about $800 bucks, probably more when the smoke clears.

    What I like about the VB community is that there usually isn't a bunch of FreeTards whining about paying a couple hundred bucks every couple of years to get software they love to use.

    vBulletin should limit the number of vb4 copies they release to about half of what would normally be sold. Next year the same whiners will be lining up just for a chance to buy the awesome software.

    I should be the only one whining on this forum. $18 bucks for a bottle of wine. Give me a break!

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  • Mike Anime
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    i have done the math and paying per version number is cheaper than the yearly renewal thing. i have been running 3.x.x on my site since 2004 i have shelled out over 250.00 just for the upgrade access that does not include the support price eather.


    for those of you who wont use the suite don't get it.


    though if i read correctley somewhere this the first time they are NOT shunning third party addons.

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  • Chael
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    Originally posted by redtailboas View Post
    If the post that says out of 100K licenses, 60,000 are expired, and 40,000 are active, is true, then they are hoping the new license structure would eventually get active licenses to a much higher % at the 4.0 level.
    Are there really 100K license out there? That seem enormously high, but I've never really thought about it. However, if that is really the case...think about the overall cash flow that creates, just on a one time purchase basis. With that kind of income, I would think they could be a faster production schedule than they have.

    As for pricing, again if there are 100k license...supply and demand. We'll see where the pricing takes them.

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  • kyrgyz
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    Originally posted by nexialys View Post
    right now from the echoes i have from visitors on my site and some other sites, a lot of people will stick to vB 3.8.x
    I already pre-ordered the Suite upgrade, but planning to stick with 3.8 for a while. As vB4 is a newcomer I'll wait till it settles down (mods, skins, languages, bugs, etc). So, maybe mid spring or even summer before I take the plunge.
    Last edited by kyrgyz; Sun 18th Oct '09, 6:43pm.

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  • redtailboas
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    I agree that it makes sense for Vbulletin to roll out major version releases, i.e. 5.0, 6.0 etc much quicker now because that is their revenue stream of the future.

    Even if version 3 ran a 5 year term, support fees each year still produced revenue for those that wanted to stay current. But when that license structure terminates, the only revenue stream from existing customers will be via upgrades to the next major release version.

    If the post that says out of 100K licenses, 60,000 are expired, and 40,000 are active, is true, then they are hoping the new license structure would eventually get active licenses to a much higher % at the 4.0 level.

    I think their target is to increase what is now "inactive" licenses.

    What percentage will stay with an "expired" license but continue to run their current version indefinitely? It is not hard to find Vbulletin sites still on 3.6.x

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  • nexialys
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    actually feldon is right *(he usually is... just not about me)

    right now from the echoes i have from visitors on my site and some other sites, a lot of people will stick to vB 3.8.x until 4.0 have be proven very efficient for the price that is now way higher than it was before...

    as a good example, in the last 5 days, the link in my signature received more than 1000 new visits, which is a record for the simple products i have on my site. the Calendar Enhancements is a great request for over 5 years on vBulletin and nobody ever worked it out at Jelsoft, and it's not in the plans of IB to enhance it soon... a lot of people are asking to make my product for 4.0 so they can upgrade, but they will stick with 3.8 just to use this, because they are more secure with 3.8, and they feel that my engine is a great potential for their site... hopefully someone will chime IB about this...

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