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  • akonze
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    Originally posted by Ian99 View Post
    According to a quoted reply by Wayne Luke to a support ticket. Anyone purchasing the $130 'upgrade', is not actually upgrading, but getting a whole new product.
    Honestly, I don't see the new products here. You get a forum. I already paid for this. You get a blog. I already paid for this. And you get es simple CMS. I don't need this as I use Typo3, which is much more powerfull.

    Great, you might say, just take the VB4 FORUM and not the VB4 SUITE. But hey, I need the blog! And the blog is discontinued. So I am forced to buy the VB4 SUITE. I have to pay AGAIN for the forum and AGAIN for the blog.

    So, it's up to me to decide. Here are my options:

    a) buy now and pay less for the VB4 SUITE. Honestly, no good idea. VB4 is far from being ready, there is no roadmap, there is no beta, nothing. Just a few screenshots.
    b) buy later and pay the full price. The same price as a completely new customer. Well, this sucks. I was a loyal customer for years and now feel like an idiot.
    c) Say goodbye and move to another forum system like IPB, WBB or PHPBB.

    At the moment I prefer option c. I will not pay for anything, which I can not be sure it will be released. And Jelsoft already made clear, they will not refund. So, maybe I pay now and get VB4 in a year. And I will definitely not pay the full price again. If you ask me, they are short on money. And this is a clear sign for me, to search for another company, which I can trust again.

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  • Loki12
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    Originally posted by MGSteve View Post
    What I object to is being sold a product (VB Blogs) and then within 12 months finding out that its obsolete and I have to pay for the suite which includes CMS which I don't need, just to get the blog functionality back.
    This is my problem as well. I bought the blog addon some months ago to integrate into my vBulletin forum. It has worked well and members are using it. But now, if I want to upgrade to the vBulletin 4.0 forum (the free option), then I will lose all my blogs. I unfortunately don't have the $130 to fork out for the suite right now, but I also want to keep my community on the forefront of technology with vBulletin 4.0 forum. Why lose the blogs when upgrading? It makes no sense whatsoever!

    I have also asked about this problem here, but still waiting on a response.
    Last edited by Loki12; Thu 15 Oct '09, 12:58pm.

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  • ra87
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    Originally posted by Webber View Post
    So does this mean if I am running vb3 board and I purchase the vb4 product ---- My license for vb3 is valid and separate from the license for the vb4?

    If the above is correct, does this mean that I can run both the vb3 and the vb4 board simultaneously as separate boards?

    Or if the above is not correct, does this mean that once I purchase the vb4 product that my vb3 is no longer valid and in effect my vb3 board will merge into and become one with my vb4 in effect cannot run a vb3 board with my current license and a vb4 board with the new license simultaneously?
    I asked that very question about 3 hours ago via a support ticket, no answer yet. I will update your when I get one.

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  • Webber
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    So does this mean if I am running vb3 board and I purchase the vb4 product ---- My license for vb3 is valid and separate from the license for the vb4?

    If the above is correct, does this mean that I can run both the vb3 and the vb4 board simultaneously as separate boards?

    Or if the above is not correct, does this mean that once I purchase the vb4 product that my vb3 is no longer valid and in effect my vb3 board will merge into and become one with my vb4 in effect cannot run a vb3 board with my current license and a vb4 board with the new license simultaneously?

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  • Ian99
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    You have left out the $80 a year for support!

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  • feldon23
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    Anyone who tells you that vBulletin no longer has renewals is lying to you. It's just renewal has been changed to version releases.

    vB4 upgrade is $175.
    vB5 upgrade is probably also $175.

    If those happen within an 18-24 month period, then you are paying nearly $400 for vBulletin. How is that not a renewal?
    Last edited by feldon23; Thu 15 Oct '09, 6:27am.

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  • thbertram
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    MGSteve, that's why my statement preface included "not all."

    You have a valid complaint, I think. And it's probably one that vBulletin should address. But if I may play the devil's advocate for a moment, if you had known that the new version had blog software included (and I believe early descriptions of vB4 did indicate that, but I may be dreaming), would you have waited, or even been able to wait? Needs are different for different sites obviously.

    A smarter way of going about this licensing mess would have been offering the new license terms to those who renewed in, say, the last 6 months at the time of renewal. I had just renewed my two sites a couple of months ago, so I do feel some of your pain. I knew vB4 was coming, but there was no indication of a change in licensing.

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  • Aerdan
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    OP brings up a very good point. See attached screen shot. I blurred out the license numbers, but they are two different numbers. Additionally, it required me to put in new license information for publishing suite. In my case, I just used the same, but I had the option of doing something completely different.

    The wording use by Ray in addition to the steps you take when you make the purchase alludes to a second license.
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  • Ian99
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    Originally posted by thbertram View Post
    I'm guessing here, but I think a lot (not all) of the people pissing and moaning about having to pony up for a new version are the same people that are running unlicensed software on their computers, or that use nothing but open-source software. Nothing wrong with the latter, but having made my living from writing software, I take exception to the former.

    If you want to use open-source, or cheap software, that's certainly your prerogative. You assume the inherent problems associated with that, if any. Some open-source is amazingly good, some expensive software amazingly bad. But at least when you pay for something, you have rights, because you paid for those rights. If you want a free ride, you have to just suck it up.
    How dare you accuse me and others of running unlicensed software.

    Please retract your accusations now.

    You and your fellow supporters have sunk to a new low.

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  • Mark.B
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    Originally posted by thbertram View Post
    I'm sure I'm going to catch a lot of heat over this, but nonetheless...

    I am an I.T. person by trade. As such, I've seen the real need for keeping software up to date, security high, and users informed. The software I use in my work (and home) is kept up-to-date, both operating system and application. That doesn't come cheap, but I've dealt with situations where someone did not do so, and the recovery, when even possible, was a helluva lot more expensive. Even more importantly, the time consumed by recovery was time I didn't have a lot of.

    I'm guessing here, but I think a lot (not all) of the people pissing and moaning about having to pony up for a new version are the same people that are running unlicensed software on their computers, or that use nothing but open-source software. Nothing wrong with the latter, but having made my living from writing software, I take exception to the former.

    If you want to use open-source, or cheap software, that's certainly your prerogative. You assume the inherent problems associated with that, if any. Some open-source is amazingly good, some expensive software amazingly bad. But at least when you pay for something, you have rights, because you paid for those rights. If you want a free ride, you have to just suck it up.

    JelSoft/IB could have handled this much better than they did, there is no doubt. And the information is way too slow coming out. No expected release date is a bit scary. Not knowing if there will be any additional work on vB3.x to keep it safe is scary. Wayne Luke, you and your people have a mess to clean up, and better information to present.

    For me, the $130 for the Suite is a good deal, and I've got two sites that I'll be buying for. But folks, I'm in it for my livelihood. If you're in it just for fun, you don't need to be playing with the big kids.
    $130 is also a good deal if you're in it for fun...which just about swings it for me. BUT not everyone is in that boat, many people are being royally shafted.

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  • MGSteve
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    Originally posted by thbertram View Post
    I'm guessing here, but I think a lot (not all) of the people pissing and moaning about having to pony up for a new version are the same people that are running unlicensed software on their computers, or that use nothing but open-source software. Nothing wrong with the latter, but having made my living from writing software, I take exception to the former.
    Blimey, talk about a generalisation!

    I think you'll find that the majority here PAID for their VB license (I sure have for the past 7 years) and as a software developer myself, I have no qualms about paying for it).

    What I object to is being sold a product (VB Blogs) and then within 12 months finding out that its obsolete and I have to pay for the suite which includes CMS which I don't need, just to get the blog functionality back.

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  • thbertram
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    I'm sure I'm going to catch a lot of heat over this, but nonetheless...

    I am an I.T. person by trade. As such, I've seen the real need for keeping software up to date, security high, and users informed. The software I use in my work (and home) is kept up-to-date, both operating system and application. That doesn't come cheap, but I've dealt with situations where someone did not do so, and the recovery, when even possible, was a helluva lot more expensive. Even more importantly, the time consumed by recovery was time I didn't have a lot of.

    I'm guessing here, but I think a lot (not all) of the people pissing and moaning about having to pony up for a new version are the same people that are running unlicensed software on their computers, or that use nothing but open-source software. Nothing wrong with the latter, but having made my living from writing software, I take exception to the former.

    If you want to use open-source, or cheap software, that's certainly your prerogative. You assume the inherent problems associated with that, if any. Some open-source is amazingly good, some expensive software amazingly bad. But at least when you pay for something, you have rights, because you paid for those rights. If you want a free ride, you have to just suck it up.

    JelSoft/IB could have handled this much better than they did, there is no doubt. And the information is way too slow coming out. No expected release date is a bit scary. Not knowing if there will be any additional work on vB3.x to keep it safe is scary. Wayne Luke, you and your people have a mess to clean up, and better information to present.

    For me, the $130 for the Suite is a good deal, and I've got two sites that I'll be buying for. But folks, I'm in it for my livelihood. If you're in it just for fun, you don't need to be playing with the big kids.

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  • woffie
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    Originally posted by Blackbook View Post
    Its horse-****.
    What is? Do you mean all these WHINING threads? Yes, I agree!

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  • Mark.B
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    Originally posted by Booth View Post
    One thing that's being overlooked is that future 'add-ons' within the 4.0 series will be free for suite license holders. VB have already stated that they have some things in the pipeline.
    Sadly my expectation is that this "pipeline" will emerge in vB5. I have no expectation of any addons coming out for 4.x. They will keep them back for 5.x to encourage yet more cash coming in.

    Remember where you read it first!

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  • Booth
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    One thing that's being overlooked is that future 'add-ons' within the 4.0 series will be free for suite license holders. VB have already stated that they have some things in the pipeline.

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