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  • sparky
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    Originally posted by JXBURNS View Post
    JelSoft are attempting to gain $130 (or whatever) now for something that has effectively not even got to the public beta stage and I personally, in 30+ years of writing code, would never expect someone to cough up cash for a product that does not visibly exist.
    A very valid point, seems a little naive that Jelsoft expect someone to pay for a product that does not exist, all you get is the ability to download 3.8

    I'm sure they are several arguments here that pertain to how someones uses and justifies the cost of the software, personal and business (coupled to any site supporter contributions).

    I went with vB because it was the best at the time, offered value for money backed up by a useful support forum.

    I'm generally a casual user with a hobby, but have also recently implemented it in a corporate environment but the manner and explanation of the emails I received this morning somewhat stopped me in my tracks.

    I'd read rumours of vB4, browsed the odd post but since there had been little communication about the subject thought little about it.

    It seems the context and delivery have been compiled from a simple business perspective with little thought for the very people that allow Jelsoft to exist and I didn't find the email or information very easy to understand.

    Come on Jelsoft, I thought you were better than that.

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  • JXBURNS
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    One thing to remember is that, assuming you have an active maintenance agreement, the upgrade for the forum software itself is free. I believe the last time I renewed (which I do every year) the cost was around $30 a site - very reasonable. I appreciate that many have never upgraded as they are happy with what they have & don't need new functionality or security updates.

    I realise others are complaining about the cost of moving to the Publishing Suite version, and I too have the blog add-on which I would lose if I did upgrade. However that add-on has never been popular on my site for unknown reasons. So probably unlikely I would purchase an upgrade as I have 2 sites to update & I gain no income from they sites they are on.

    I could argue about the pros and cons of sticking with the forum only, or going for an 'all-singing CMS' version, and can see the heated arguments being used here are mostly very valid.

    But what no-one has really understood is that vB4.0 is still vapourware to the end consumer. JelSoft are attempting to gain $130 (or whatever) now for something that has effectively not even got to the public beta stage and I personally, in 30+ years of writing code, would never expect someone to cough up cash for a product that does not visibly exist.

    Fine, if JelSoft made it clear that their offer is a 'register your interest and when the time comes you can have it for $xx' as many other companies I buy from do. But I get the impression that as soon as you press that confirm button they will take the money from your bank. Even though interest rates are virtually zero, I would much prefer it stays in my bank until ready to head over when a product is actually visible somewhere.

    So I believe JelSoft should withdraw their email and reissue on the basis of the preceding paragraph. The big advantage to them is they will immediately see how many people are really interested and are able to gauge their cash flow with reasonably accuracy. At the moment I can see their falling flat on their faces (whilst everybody sticks with v3.x) which may well push them under if nobody wants to upgrade. For those that have forked out $130 or whatever, they then may lose it.

    Rgds John

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  • Marc Smith
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    Originally posted by ENF View Post
    Holy... you got whooshed...

    My comments are direct at VB3 users with a OWNED license.
    That's me. Owned and brand free. vB has made a few bucks off of me over the years. And I have no regrets. The future, however, is a different matter.

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  • Flep
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    I think knowledge and experience are the first things that make great a software.
    Vbulletin group has a lot of them.

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  • Samir
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    I'm glad I didn't buy blog when renewing recently. All I can say is that I'm disappointed.

    It's time to redo the forum software research I did almost a decade ago. vbulletin used to be the premiere forum software. IPB has been doing a good job catching up, and there are several new companies out there. Now, with this new licensing hand down from vb, I guess there's two weeks to figure out which one I will be using in the future...what a sad day...

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  • Marc Smith
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    Originally posted by smirkley View Post
    Nice diversion,... but to what cause?
    Your post makes absolutely no sense.

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  • ENF
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    Holy... you got whooshed...

    My comments are direct at VB3 users with a OWNED license. Most everyone knows (or should) that an owned license is more economical! I'm fairly certain that those of use who own/admin large boards acquired "Owned" licenses.

    Yes of course, if you want the NEW VERSION you have to PAY to get the upgrade! It is after all VB4 not VB3... just like Windows 7 is not Windows XP, etc.

    I won't get into the ethics of pricing, but I would imagine if you own a large board - you should not have a problem funding the required fees for maintenance costs.

    Originally posted by ManagerJosh View Post
    As a current owned license holder, I get access to Forum 4.0. Once my license expires, can I continue to run the software?
    Yes. However, you have to purchase a Forum 4.0 upgrade license in order to have access to any further maintenance, security or minor point releases on the 4 series.

    As a current owned license holder, I get access to Forum 4.0. Once my current license expires, can I continue to get upgrades on the 4 series?
    No. You will have to purchase an upgrade license in order to have access to any further maintenance, security or minor point releases on the 4 series.

    As a current leased license holder, I get access to Forum 4.0. Once my leased license expires, can I continue to run the software?
    No. Your leased license terms do not allow you to continue to run the software beyond your contract. You must either remove all instances of the software or purchase an upgrade license for Forum 4.0 or Suite.

    http://www.vbulletin.com/index.php?do=faq#faq-2
    Last edited by ENF; Tue 13th Oct '09, 10:44pm. Reason: Brain to hands... translator failure :D

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  • AVC
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    Originally posted by Marc Smith View Post
    It's not about free. It's about much more than that.
    I agree with you, that is why I want vB to offer all existing forum owners who have "owned licenses" VERY ATTRACTIVE PRICING" FOR STAND ALONE FORUM SOFTWARE EVEN IF THEY HAVE NOT PAID RENEWAL FEES FOR YEARS ON A LONG TERM BASIS !!!!

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  • smirkley
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    Originally posted by Marc Smith View Post
    I'm here, after 8 years of using vB, to state my opinion. What are YOU here for?

    Nice diversion,... but to what cause?

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  • Marc Smith
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    Originally posted by AVC View Post
    A great open source option for those who want to do their own custom coding would be phpBB the old stand by software.

    So if you want a free open source solution you got it !!

    Right guys ?
    It's not about free. It's about much more than that.

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  • ManagerJosh
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    Originally posted by ENF View Post
    Where does it say you're forced to? You can run VB3.x forever and ever if you want. Your dissatisfaction does not necessarily represent a larger user perspective.

    Speaking of running old versions... I ran across a large forum still running VB3.0.6 - I don't think they'll ever upgrade because of how heavily modified their board is. That could be you!


    As a current owned license holder, I get access to Forum 4.0. Once my license expires, can I continue to run the software?
    Yes. However, you have to purchase a Forum 4.0 upgrade license in order to have access to any further maintenance, security or minor point releases on the 4 series.

    As a current owned license holder, I get access to Forum 4.0. Once my current license expires, can I continue to get upgrades on the 4 series?
    No. You will have to purchase an upgrade license in order to have access to any further maintenance, security or minor point releases on the 4 series.

    As a current leased license holder, I get access to Forum 4.0. Once my leased license expires, can I continue to run the software?
    No. Your leased license terms do not allow you to continue to run the software beyond your contract. You must either remove all instances of the software or purchase an upgrade license for Forum 4.0 or Suite.

    http://www.vbulletin.com/index.php?do=faq#faq-2

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  • Marc Smith
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    Originally posted by ENF View Post
    Where does it say you're forced to? You can run VB3.x forever and ever if you want. Your dissatisfaction does not necessarily represent a larger user perspective.

    Speaking of running old versions... I ran across a large forum still running VB3.0.6 - I don't think they'll ever upgrade because of how heavily modified their board is. That could be you!
    So have I. Yet I may soon be joining those that have stopped supporting vB by not 'upgrading'. My forum is heavily modded. So what? If it's worth it, change can be good. But the vB 'team' isn't what it was.

    You are right - No one is forcing anyone to upgrade. But that's not the point at all.

    As to "Your dissatisfaction does not necessarily represent a larger user perspective.", the vB team may find that it does represent a large user perspective.

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  • AVC
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    A great open source option for those who want to do their own custom coding would be phpBB the old stand by software.

    So if you want a free open source solution you got it !!

    Right guys ?

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  • ENF
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    Originally posted by Xocide
    Oh yes, run an old version, they sooner or later they will not be releasing patches for, great advice.
    Just stating the obvious facts! These guys that are running older versions seem to be getting along fine. -- I'm not poking at you personally, just from a perspective of what I see around the web.

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  • Marc Smith
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    Originally posted by smirkley View Post
    Yes, goto the "other" premium competetor,..or go to some lame freeware.

    But why were you here in the first place?

    I'm here, after 8 years of using vB, to state my opinion. What are YOU here for?

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