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  • Wayne Luke
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    Thank you everyone for your answers. I believe this thread has been answered and there is no further reason to continue the conversation.

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  • Nick
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    Originally posted by Jobe1986 View Post
    Or maybe not even at all, nothing has been confirmed, nothing has been announced, and there is nothing official that says what you say is true. You are simply spending your time spout potentially misleading information to new users. The leaked information that YOU are basing your potentially false informationw ere nothing more then a discussion, the details of which are likely to change, or not even come to light. The ONLY accurate information, and only acceptable information is the details that are true NOW, the details you claim are old, are not old, they are current and accurate. Please note I'm not denying that things could change, I am simply pointing out that the information you are supplying has a HUGE potential to be far more inaccurate then the CURRENT information about pricing. For all you know the leaked plans could have already been scrapped, or ammended in such a way that what you believe to be true simply is not true. So I suggest, for your own sake, to prevent you making yourself look stupid if things have changed from the leaked info, you simply stop spouting information that is not PRESENTLY true.
    If only I could have stated it as clearly as you did. Very nice post.

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  • Sysop9001
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    Originally posted by Jobe1986 View Post
    Or maybe not even at all, nothing has been confirmed, nothing has been announced, and there is nothing official that says what you say is true. You are simply spending your time spout potentially misleading information to new users. The leaked information that YOU are basing your potentially false informationw ere nothing more then a discussion, the details of which are likely to change, or not even come to light. The ONLY accurate information, and only acceptable information is the details that are true NOW, the details you claim are old, are not old, they are current and accurate. Please note I'm not denying that things could change, I am simply pointing out that the information you are supplying has a HUGE potential to be far more inaccurate then the CURRENT information about pricing. For all you know the leaked plans could have already been scrapped, or ammended in such a way that what you believe to be true simply is not true. So I suggest, for your own sake, to prevent you making yourself look stupid if things have changed from the leaked info, you simply stop spouting information that is not PRESENTLY true.
    At the end this is true, there's only official info about that, the other things are only "rumors" not yet official announcement about new policy as been released.

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  • Jobe1986
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    Originally posted by Baba Wawa View Post
    The prices will change. Soon.

    Maybe in September? (Maybe later.)
    Or maybe not even at all, nothing has been confirmed, nothing has been announced, and there is nothing official that says what you say is true. You are simply spending your time spout potentially misleading information to new users. The leaked information that YOU are basing your potentially false informationw ere nothing more then a discussion, the details of which are likely to change, or not even come to light. The ONLY accurate information, and only acceptable information is the details that are true NOW, the details you claim are old, are not old, they are current and accurate. Please note I'm not denying that things could change, I am simply pointing out that the information you are supplying has a HUGE potential to be far more inaccurate then the CURRENT information about pricing. For all you know the leaked plans could have already been scrapped, or ammended in such a way that what you believe to be true simply is not true. So I suggest, for your own sake, to prevent you making yourself look stupid if things have changed from the leaked info, you simply stop spouting information that is not PRESENTLY true.

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  • Baba Wawa
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    Originally posted by RedHacker7 View Post
    I dont speak good English can we speak please how many pay for the vBulletin....?
    No one knows.

    The prices will change. Soon.

    Maybe in September? (Maybe later.)

    We are all waiting.

    Just like you.

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  • RedHacker7
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    I dont speak good English can we speak please how many pay for the vBulletin....?

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  • Baba Wawa
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    Originally posted by RedHacker7 View Post
    Ι have one question: i pay January vBulletin "vBulletin (Owned License)".
    When expire how many money pay...?
    The point is, RH7, that no one can answer this question right now.

    The company could surely tell us what the price structure will be in the future, but they have decided not to until, I guess, the release of vBulletin 4 sometime later this year.

    We know that significant changes have been discussed and that some change will take place.

    What that change will be, we customers currently do not know.

    As a result, the certainty you are seeking is simply unavailable at the present time.
    Last edited by Baba Wawa; Fri 7 Aug '09, 8:13am.

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  • Baba Wawa
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    Originally posted by Nick View Post
    Spreading information that isn't confirmed is not any better than sharing information that is "old" (even though it really isn't old; it's still holds true).
    Actually, it is LOTS better, especially if it is hedged around with qualifiers, as my replies were. Unconfirmed-information from a reliable source, properly qualified, is LOTS better than giving old information that we know will be out of date very soon.


    The real way to answer questions like these would be: Currently, the way it works is ______. However, there are some major changes imminent, so keep an eye on the Announcements forum in order to be informed of these new changes.
    Whatever. The point is NOT to keep repeating old information as though it had been handed down from Mt. Sinai -- when we know that it is about as useful as last week's grocery list.

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  • nexialys
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    Originally posted by Nick View Post
    Currently, the way it works is ______.
    oh, yeah, a game... put the right word in the empty field...ok, let's try.... hum, let's see: Hibernaculum

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  • Nick
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    Originally posted by Baba Wawa View Post
    It is misleading and wrong to reply to newcomers' questions with only the OLD information. We all know that there will be changes. Ray Morgan has repeatedly confirmed that there will be changes.

    To reply to questions, then, as though there will be no changes is simply wrong. It is a disservice to pretend to others that there will be no changes -- because we know that there will be.

    We have an obligation not to give out erroneous information. And all of the initial replies in this thread were full of exactly that.
    Spreading information that isn't confirmed is not any better than sharing information that is "old" (even though it really isn't old; it's still holds true).

    The real way to answer questions like these would be: Currently, the way it works is ______. However, there are some major changes imminent, so keep an eye on the Announcements forum in order to be informed of these new changes.

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  • Baba Wawa
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    It is misleading and wrong to reply to newcomers' questions with only the OLD information. We all know that there will be changes. Ray Morgan has repeatedly confirmed that there will be changes.

    To reply to questions, then, as though there will be no changes is simply wrong. It is a disservice to pretend to others that there will be no changes -- because we know that there will be.

    We have an obligation not to give out erroneous information. And all of the initial replies in this thread were full of exactly that.

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  • Nick
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    Originally posted by Baba Wawa View Post
    The answers provided in this thread are probably not accurate.

    I believe it is very unfair to newcomers to provide them with information which we pretty much know is no longer true.

    We know that renewal fees will almost certainly not be charged in the future.
    Actually, since no official announcements have been made, it is nothing more than disinformation to discuss anything than the current official policy, as the other posts in this thread have.

    You don't even know what the new policies are, so what is the point in even trying to tell a customer what they are?

    [...] or (b) to upgrade to the new version for a significant amount of money, considerably in excess of $40-60.
    Thanks, Ray.

    Where did you get the idea that it would be "considerably in excess of $40-60"? It's a nice assumption, but I don't recall seeing that posted by Ray anywhere.

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  • Jobe1986
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    Originally posted by Baba Wawa View Post
    We know that renewal fees will almost certainly not be charged in the future.
    I beg to differ, as far as I know, there has been no OFFICIAL announcement on pricing changes at all, and for that reason, and that reason alone, nobody except Jelsoft and IB staff KNOW what pricing structure will evolve. All in all, we only KNOW what is already present. All we do know about pricing changes is what was leaked, and that information is subject to change anyway so wont necessarily be true either. So if as you say the information already provided in this thread is inaccurate, then the information you provided is potentially just as inaccurate.

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  • Baba Wawa
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    The answers provided in this thread are probably not accurate.

    I believe it is very unfair to newcomers to provide them with information which we pretty much know is no longer true.

    We know that renewal fees will almost certainly not be charged in the future.

    Instead, new versions of vBulletin will be released every few years. People will have a choice whether (a) to remain with the older version, without additional charge, or (b) to upgrade to the new version for a significant amount of money, considerably in excess of $40-60.

    We all know that renewal fees are likely to be a thing of the past very soon.

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  • RedHacker7
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    When forget it 60$ why i pay before expire... Thanks very much.....

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