I already have a lifetime lisence...but need to renew...

[Neyland]

The owned license will allow you to run the software on your server for an unlimited amount of time and allows access to all new versions for one year. After the year, you can purchase a renewal of this access.

https://www.vbulletin.com/order/ How can I not read that as a renewed owned license holder I wouldn't get the 4.0 software for free? If you wish to change the terms, I can see that... but I don't think it could take effect until after my yearly renewal is up.

[basilrath]

Smoke and mirrors springs to mind.

The process will be watched very closely in relation to terms and conditions plus small print.

[Nick]

https://www.vbulletin.com/order/ How can I not read that as a renewed owned license holder I wouldn't get the 4.0 software for free? If you wish to change the terms, I can see that... but I don't think it could take effect until after my yearly renewal is up.

It can be changed at any time, as per the license agreement:

Jelsoft reserves the right to modify these terms at any time.

https://www.vBulletin.com/go/license

[Blackbook]

It can be changed at any time, as per the license agreement:

Yeah, they can change the license for new buyers - but surely not those who've already signed up for those terms?!

[Neal-UK]

I'm going to renew my four owned licenses shortly as it's my understanding when I signed up / joined that I get 1 year of free updates to the vBulletin Forum Software no matter what version it becomes within that year.

[Neyland]

Yes, I believe its a pretty accepted thing in the VB community that if you keep your renewal up, you get the upgrades for free... I would imagine that to most people that's the whole point of paying the renewal in the first place.

I'm no lawyer, but could you imagine the effect a class action lawsuit might have on the company IF the ruling went against you?

I like the different versions... heck I'd like to see one that's just forums and photo albums.. no social networking/friends or any of that crap.

If I end up having to re-purchase my license while still under software assurance... lets just say I will not go quietly into that good night and there would be a very good chance that I'd just end up changing products for no other reason than to say 'I don't do business with those kinds of people'.

Vote with your wallet... and be sure to tell your friends.

[El Burro]

Yes, I believe its a pretty accepted thing in the VB community that if you keep your renewal up, you get the upgrades for free... I would imagine that to most people that's the whole point of paying the renewal in the first place.

I'm no lawyer, but could you imagine the effect a class action lawsuit might have on the company IF the ruling went against you?

I like the different versions... heck I'd like to see one that's just forums and photo albums.. no social networking/friends or any of that crap.

If I end up having to re-purchase my license while still under software assurance... lets just say I will not go quietly into that good night and there would be a very good chance that I'd just end up changing products for no other reason than to say 'I don't do business with those kinds of people'.

Vote with your wallet... and be sure to tell your friends.

With you there on all of your points!!

The power of real social networking may become apparent to IB if they do change the licensing structure.

[Blackbook]

I find it amazing that Steve or one of the other devs hasn't even commented on this. Its had way over 1000 views and 4 pages of replies. I can understand him not having a definate answer, but maybe just an insiders suggestion would be worth far more than all this speculation.

I will upgrade and pay the $60, but I won't be happy should vb4 cost me more....

[carntheroos4eva]

I find it amazing that Steve or one of the other devs hasn't even commented on this. Its had way over 1000 views and 4 pages of replies. I can understand him not having a definate answer, but maybe just an insiders suggestion would be worth far more than all this speculation.

I will upgrade and pay the $60, but I won't be happy should vb4 cost me more....

If you wanted those guys to answer you could have brought up a support ticket asking the same questions to the guys.

[Nick]

I find it amazing that Steve or one of the other devs hasn't even commented on this. Its had way over 1000 views and 4 pages of replies. I can understand him not having a definate answer, but maybe just an insiders suggestion would be worth far more than all this speculation.

I will upgrade and pay the $60, but I won't be happy should vb4 cost me more....

As you assume, they don't have a definite answer. They also don't have "insider's suggestions". Nothing has changed, despite the rumors and speculation. They are going to recommend no different than they would, say, 6 months, 1 year, or 2 years ago.

[Steve Machol]

I find it amazing that Steve or one of the other devs hasn't even commented on this.

As we have stated many times and as Ray has also posted, this has not been determined yet. We can't answer something for which there is no answer. When this is decided there will be a clear announcement posted about this, Until then there is nothing we can add.

[Blackbook]

As we have stated many times and as Ray has also posted, this has not been determined yet. We can't answer something for which there is no answer. When this is decided there will be a clear announcement posted about this, Until then there is nothing we can add.

Thanks steve for taking the time; can you understand the unnecessary and rather frustrating situation I'm in though? I just hope vb4 kicks enough backside for this to have been all worth it.

[Sysop9001]

Hello,
do have I understand fine?
For example I have now Owned non-active license (stopped at version 3.7.3), well, when vB 4 comes out I need to pay as an extra fee and not a normal upgrade (renewall license) like now $60 to get it?
If this is the situation I quick jump to another Board Platform

[Blackbook]

Hello,
do have I understand fine?
For example I have now Owned non-active license (stopped at version 3.7.3), well, when vB 4 comes out I need to pay as an extra fee and not a normal upgrade (renewall license) like now $60 to get it?
If this is the situation I quick jump to another Board Platform

I'm in the same situation as you.

From what I gather the options are;

a) pay $60 for a renewal. Then pay a discounted price for vb4.
b) don't pay $60 now. And pay 100% of the price for vb4.

Apart from that, nothing else is known...and that's not even official yet.

[0ptima]

I'm in the same situation as you.

From what I gather the options are;

a) pay $60 for a renewal. Then pay a discounted price for vb4.
b) don't pay $60 now. And pay 100% of the price for vb4.

Apart from that, nothing else is known...and that's not even official yet.

I hope this is not true as this would shaft many existing customers who have not renewed. If they do go down this route, I hope they at least make an official announcement first about their change in policy and allow people to renew.