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  • Ingenious
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    HarryWx, the most important thing is what the users of your forum are going to think about the look and style, not you. The majority of responses to the new style are positive, so I would assume the majority of your forum users would like it too. In any case, vB can be customised, you could make a few changes yourself or I am sure there will be plenty of third party skins / tweaks available in time.

    In my experience with my own forum ( > 8 years) it is the community and the content that matters in the end, not the style or look. I keep very close to the original style to make updating painless, so my forum does look like everyone else's "out of the box" vB forum, which is a shame in some ways, but has never hindered my community.

    What you should be asking is what features vB has and what the support is like. I moved from IPB to vB and would never go back. There is so much help and support here and at vBulletin.org.

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  • Andreas
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    Originally posted by feldon23 View Post
    When you say vBulletin 3 doesn't work in some browsers, are you referring to older browsers or newer browsers?
    I don't think he was talking about vBulletin 3

    I ask because i am trying to leave IPB because of basically the same thing. 3.0 looks terrible at best and doesnt even work in some browsers.

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  • feldon23
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    Originally posted by HarryWx View Post
    Thanks and didnt mean to sound rude if i did. I just dont know what to do now.

    May as well ask but will the look break in IE like IPB 3.0 has? Thus is it using the same type of images or whatever that IPB is using in 3.0?
    Are you talking about PNG images?

    Yes, they will look funky in IE6. IE6 was a terrible web browser and already just in the last 2 years, its market share has shrunk from 90% to 20%.

    PNG images allow incredible flexibility in design. Buttons can be designed that are compatible with ALL color backgrounds. Gradients can flow properly over other backgrounds. I'm sorry if it doesn't look the way you'd hoped in IE6 but the forum is still usable. More and more websites are going to break in IE6 as people embrace web standards instead of the Microsoft-specific monstrosity of IE6 web design. We could have been using PNGs 5 years ago to produce beautiful, flexible, powerful websites with transparent images, automatic drop shadows, rounded corners, etc. but Microsoft had to be complete idiots and include half-baked support for PNG in IE6. Well, it's time to move forward.

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  • feldon23
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    Originally posted by HarryWx View Post
    3.0 looks terrible at best and doesnt even work in some browsers. Thus i do not like the new vB 4.0 look that i saw posted in the blog and am hoping that there is a chance it may be reconsidered.

    Thanks.
    When you say vBulletin 3 doesn't work in some browsers, are you referring to older browsers or newer browsers?

    vBulletin 3.0 has incredible compatibility with very very old web browsers. It is even usable on WebTV which most other software has dropped support years ago. vBulletin 3 works on IE5.5 (obsolete), IE6 (obsolete), Firefox 1 (obsolete), Firefox 2 (obsolete), Mozilla (discontinued), Opera, Safari, etc.

    Maybe you are referring to recent browsers? I am not sure if Chrome has been fully tested. I know Opera was an issue for a long time because how slowly and incompletely they implemented the DOM. Of particular note was the WYSIWYG editor. This is not a vBulletin issue though and you'll note Opera's market share has shrunk dramatically over the past few years due to pressure from Safari and Firefox.


    As for vB4, I think vBulletin 4 looks AWESOME from the first looks and it is going to be incredibly easy to customize via CSS. Without editing templates, you'll be able to completely restyle vBulletin with different colors, backgrounds, borders, arrangement, etc.

    vBulletin 4 will enter beta this year and might not be the official release product for 9 months to a year. vBulletin 3.8 series will continue to be sold for years to come. If you like 3.x, use it. vBulletin 4 supports modern web browsers and adaptively degrades on older ones.

    Can you please express your complaints/concerns about the vBulletin 4 appearance? I really would like to know.

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  • Wayne Luke
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    Originally posted by hitmancode47 View Post
    So is there like an estimated/guessed date or month of release for vB 4.0?
    http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showp...05&postcount=3

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  • hitmancode47
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    So is there like an estimated/guessed date or month of release for vB 4.0?

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  • Steve Machol
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    Originally posted by HarryWx View Post
    May as well ask but will the look break in IE like IPB 3.0 has? Thus is it using the same type of images or whatever that IPB is using in 3.0?
    I have not seen or heard anything yet about new images. I'm actually quite anxious to see what comes next.

    The vB 4 style is still being worked on and is not done. Kier's blog showed it's current state of development and his design concepts, but not the final product.

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  • Wayne Luke
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    Originally posted by HarryWx View Post
    May as well ask but will the look break in IE like IPB 3.0 has? Thus is it using the same type of images or whatever that IPB is using in 3.0?
    Every demo that the staff has of the new style, we hear something like this:

    "I tried to do this but it while it worked in the moderna browsers (IE8, Safari, Firefox and Opera) it broke in IE6 and 7. So what I had to do was write this code which will be conditionally added to the output for IE6 and 7 so they work."

    It isn't good to have things break for the two most used browsers, even if there is a new replacement to them.

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  • Icy
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    Originally posted by HarryWx View Post
    May as well ask but will the look break in IE like IPB 3.0 has? Thus is it using the same type of images or whatever that IPB is using in 3.0?
    You might want to read De-tabulating vBulletin Forumdisplay. This is vBulletin and that is Kier
    Originally posted by Kier;bt5262
    My browser testing suite comprises primarily IE6, 7 and 8, and the latest versions of Firefox, Safari and Opera and Chrome on Windows and Mac (where available).

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  • Freewilley
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    I dont think vbulletin designers gonna release a style version that will break in IE. But I am afraid if its gonna look like IPB 3 then it will be a real issue. I really hate the style of IPB 3.0 BETA. They were so good in their previous versions but suddenly their new look really got bad from their previous versions.

    To your question I dont think it will break like IPB but what I myself afraid is will gonna look the same like IPB 3? well I dont know the answer for that either.

    lets wait and see.

    regards

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  • HarryWx
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    Originally posted by cellarius View Post
    You don't really expect a "Yes" to that question, do you

    - Ey, developer, will your new style break in IE if it finally comes out?
    - Yes.

    SCNR

    Then why change if that is gonna happen?

    Main reason why i dont understand why IPB did what they have done to 3.0 and main reason i wanna switch and was looking here.

    I look at this forum and i see no issues with it and havent heard of any either so why switch to something ( another type of image or whatever.. PNG etc ) that will cause issues in certain browsers?

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  • cellarius
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    Originally posted by HarryWx View Post
    May as well ask but will the look break in IE like IPB 3.0 has? Thus is it using the same type of images or whatever that IPB is using in 3.0?
    You don't really expect a "Yes" to that question, do you

    - Ey, developer, will your new style break in IE if it finally comes out?
    - Yes.

    SCNR

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  • HarryWx
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    Originally posted by Steve Machol View Post
    There will be tweaks and new images, but if I understand your basic objections I've read elsewhere there are no plans to completely scrap all the work that has been done and start over with something more to your liking. Sorry.

    FWIW the overwhelming response to new Kier's design has been very positive. But the fact is that you just can't please everyone.
    Thanks and didnt mean to sound rude if i did. I just dont know what to do now.

    May as well ask but will the look break in IE like IPB 3.0 has? Thus is it using the same type of images or whatever that IPB is using in 3.0?

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  • Steve Machol
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    There will be tweaks and new images, but if I understand your basic objections I've read elsewhere there are no plans to completely scrap all the work that has been done and start over with something more to your liking. Sorry.

    FWIW the overwhelming response to new Kier's design has been very positive. But the fact is that you just can't please everyone.

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  • Freewilley
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    we cannot comment on the new look of vb4 till we see a final output of it running here or any other forums. So I would suggest you better wait till it gets released as I am also having nightmares about its new look lol.. if the fonts and icons are gonna be that big as it is shown in the blog I would probably stick around with later versions of 3.8.x myself..

    regards

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