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  • #16
    I am also torn between ipb and vbulletin. I have not taken a closer look at ipb, but I have the impression that their development team is more innovative than vb' s. They introduced social community features long before vb did. And although vb has been able to catch up, I assume invision will reclaim the lead soon.

    What keeps me from switching to ipb is the fact, that none of the current forums suite my needs. I need to use many mods to enhance them. And here comes vb.org into play. It looks like there is nothing alike for ipb. I think ipb started to restructure it, because now their seem to be a centralized homepage for this, but it will take a long time to make it as active and helpful than vb.org.

    I would not care about photopost support. I think there are better gallery scripts, even for free. But most open source projects do not like supporting commercial scripts. If they do, vb support seems to be better. I think this is only, because there are more vbulletin owners out there. There are mods I envy ipb owners for. It is the ibparcade and ibpcasino.

    I don' t think vbulletin is easer to use for end users. In my opinion ipb' s user control panel is very clean and easy to use, whereas vb' s control panel looks untidy. My users complained about usability after we converted from another forum software to vb. I don' t see many differences in forum features. ipb and vb are easy to use and have more features than the average forum user will ever need.

    Pricing is this:
    forum only
    first year:
    ip board: $ 149 + $ 25 = $ 174
    vbulletin: $ 180
    every other year
    ipb: $ 50 (if you don' t need updates and ticket support for the whole year, you might be able to save money)
    vb: $ 40

    forum+blog+gallery
    first year
    ipb: $ 249 + $ 25 = $ 274
    vb: $ 240

    vb wins, but the difference is not so big that pricing would dominate your decision. It might get more important if you need branding free option ($ 170 vs $ 275).

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    • #17
      BBpixel actually has a better integration with vB compared to JFusion.
      Of course it will cost a small fee (and support non-existent) but their bridge is really great.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by jigger View Post
        I am also torn between ipb and vbulletin. I have not taken a closer look at ipb, but I have the impression that their development team is more innovative than vb' s. They introduced social community features long before vb did. And although vb has been able to catch up, I assume invision will reclaim the lead soon.
        Sorry it's not true. I'm running both of them for 6 years now. Both of them has important (social) features that the other don't have.

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        • #19
          definitely vbulletin.

          although ipb seems to be ahead of vbulletin on the userprofile side of things, especially with the ajax latest posts/threads feature.

          but other than that, i think vbulletin is better in every sense, especially when it comes to customizations, i have yet to see a software that makes things so easy.

          everybody claims joomla is easier, but i'd even dissagree on that, maybe it's just my being used to vbulletin.
          so what's new?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by jigger View Post
            I am also torn between ipb and vbulletin. I have not taken a closer look at ipb, but I have the impression that their development team is more innovative than vb' s.
            that i'd have to agree on, although with all the FREE MODS out for vb, i don't think ipb can compare, although the initial ipb software seems to have way more features.
            so what's new?

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            • #21
              I have put my IPB Licenses for sale..hopefully the money from that will help me buy the vb license, make a custom style for the forum and some minor mods and tweaks here and there.

              you can check out the license sales topic here: http://forums.invisionize.com/index....owtopic=139675

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              • #22
                It's all about your personal preference. I myself think IPB and Vbulletin are equal, and both have flaws and cons.

                But, by saying that, my forum that runs Vbulletin is doing A LOT better then my forum that is run on IPB. Not saying its related, but...... :P

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by kiks View Post
                  I've been also a IPB user since 1.3.x and now I'm using 2.3.6 and I've also seen IPB 3 and I'm not really impressed.

                  That's why I'm also contemplating on converting my board to vbulletin.
                  What you've seen is an incomplete public preview of an alpha build of IPB 3. It's possible that nothing will be changed, but it's also more likely that things will be changed. I really wouldn't base your opinion on what you see now. Wait for the final product to be released and try it out. And also consider that at least IPS has even showed off something. Jelsoft has yet to even hint at vBulletin 4.
                  Originally posted by Tauhid View Post
                  ahh too bad, IPS did work hard on their forum interface, but it just doesn`t become as user friendly as the VB is. And its true, almost 8 out 10 forums I visit, all mostly use vb...
                  Matter of opinion, really. A board can be as user-friendly as you want it to be. Both vBulletin and IPB are easily customized. I've seen many ugly vB boards that don't look nearly as nice as some very well designed IPB boards.
                  Originally posted by NegativeSmoke View Post
                  Make the leap over, I saw the IPB3 preview (won't say how hehe) and I'm not impressed at all, in fact, i'm a bit disgusted with IPS.

                  I've been a IPB user since 1.3.x but this past april i made the switch from IPB 1.3 to vBulletin and will never look back. I never got the chance to buy a perpetiual license from IPS so I would've been stuck paying an arm and a leg for upgrades, it's cheaper to just buy an owned vB license, so I did and I must say, best investment ever made.

                  vB is not only user friendly, it has a sleak design that makes navigating easy, unlike IPB's bloated admin panel, vB uses the traditional styled admin panel and has it set up so that it isn't bloated and is very easy to navigate around and get used to in just 2 minutes.

                  Modifications are also a snap to install, NO core file edits required and rarely any template edits, but most mods can be installed directly from the admin CP with little to no editing of a template.
                  And IPB uses a tabbed user interface to navigate around and get used to in just 2 minutes. Again, your opinion is just that... I don't find IPB ugly at all, and I think it looks much better than vB. Whether or not you're impressed by IPB 3 is an opinion, but again, at least IPS has something to show off. Jelsoft has shown nothing at all regarding vBulletin 4. What proof do we have that it's not even vaporware?

                  And modifications for IPB can use a plugin/hook system as well. I have three modifications on my board that never required source code edits and no template edits. IPB mods unfortunately don't take advantage of this system at the moment, but this will change with IPB 3. Which is another reason why you shouldn't make such harsh judgment on unfinished alpha software.

                  People always come to Jelsoft's defense when others say vBulletin is ugly, countering by saying how customizable the interface really is, and they're correct. But this is also the case with IPB.

                  All I will say is you need to make the decision yourself. If you already own an IPB license and enjoy it, then stick with it. I own licenses to both software, and I can honestly say you're not missing much. Yes, vBulletin has more features, but not many, and all that's really different is the layout, the terminology and how those features work. Both software are very, very similar and can be fully modified to serve your needs. Wait for IPB 3 to be released before making a judgment call, and also give vBulletin a try. Be sure to try out its Admin CP, as well. In the end, go with the software that you like more.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by goyo View Post
                    Sorry it's not true. I'm running both of them for 6 years now. Both of them has important (social) features that the other don't have.
                    When did ips introduce the social networking features? The announcement for version 2.2 was back in September 2006. If you know that, it is quite disappointing what has been coded for vb.

                    If a site owner does not need those social networking features or does not want those, he might be completely satisfied. But my focus is going more and more towards social networking. I think that the forum does not need new features. Nearly every forum script has all you need.

                    I really don' t understand why some people say ipb is ugly or difficult to use. I have never had any problems to use ipb boards. Default ipb looks much better and more modern than default vb. Everything is where it is supposed to be.

                    Nonetheless I don' t see any advantage for me to convert to IPB right now. But if I had an ipb licence I would at least wait for the first downloadable beta version. Ipb and vb both have their pros and cons. Both have their fan base. I always try to stay objective and only try to judge by my own requirements.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by jigger View Post
                      When did ips introduce the social networking features? The announcement for version 2.2 was back in September 2006. If you know that, it is quite disappointing what has been coded for vb.

                      If a site owner does not need those social networking features or does not want those, he might be completely satisfied. But my focus is going more and more towards social networking. I think that the forum does not need new features. Nearly every forum script has all you need.

                      I really don' t understand why some people say ipb is ugly or difficult to use. I have never had any problems to use ipb boards. Default ipb looks much better and more modern than default vb. Everything is where it is supposed to be.

                      Nonetheless I don' t see any advantage for me to convert to IPB right now. But if I had an ipb licence I would at least wait for the first downloadable beta version. Ipb and vb both have their pros and cons. Both have their fan base. I always try to stay objective and only try to judge by my own requirements.
                      I would agree with you that IPB is neither ugly nor less functional than vB, but everyone has their own opinions. Some will prefer vB and others will prefer IPB. That's just how it is.

                      I don't really care for the social networking features in either board, though. The way I see it, if you want social networking, than use Facebook or MySpace.
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                      • #26
                        horses for courses

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                        • #27
                          Thing is that each of those two forum software are great in what they are intended for. It is only a personal preference if you prefer brand a or brand b. Then you also have the generics that offer some if not all of the main features.

                          You can't go wrong when picking either of the two Main Brands in forum software. You could only go wrong if you were to purchase UBB.
                          I still can't believe they are around in 2008!

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                          • #28
                            IPS have too many other little "hidden extras" you have to pay for these days I've been noticing over there, compared to vBulletin.

                            With that said, don't buy vBulletin based on "Photopost". Big error if you do.

                            I've owned both "IPB and their Gallery" + "vBulletin and Photopost".

                            If I was intending on buying a forum, mainly just for the "Gallery" intergration. It would be IPB (hands down). IPB's gallery "I personally feel", is better than Photopost.
                            Last edited by MRGTB; Tue 18th Nov '08, 5:22pm.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by MRGTB View Post
                              IPS have too many other little "hidden extras" you have to pay for these days I've been noticing over there, compared to vBulletin.

                              With that said, don't buy vBulletin based on "Photopost". Big error if you do.

                              I've owned both "IPB and their Gallery" + "vBulletin and Photopost".

                              If I was intending on buying a forum, mainly just for the "Gallery" intergration. It would be IPB (hands down). IPB's gallery "I personally feel", is better than Photopost.
                              I know that the Invision Gallery is a lot more web 2.0ish, but the fact is Invision Power Services just cant convert my photopost gallery to Invision gallery at this moment. I mean I am ready to pay as much as the Vb license is worth for the conversion and still they cant figure out a convertor for it. You know sticking to all IPS products would have been so much better for me but there is still no way.

                              I mean my gallery is my website's most visited component. Millions of viewers everyday with at least 200 comments everyday. more than 50 uploads a day as well. already have around 20,000 photos with thousands of comments so it would be such a big hassle to just start fresh with a gallery that I am actually considering moving to VB just for the gallery's sake coz the fact remains same, vb outsells IPB and more developers prefer making their scripts work well with VB instead of any other forum softwares.

                              I preferred Photopost because their upload system is better and its more of a public gallery type rather than IPG's Personal Gallery Type, I dont know if you understood me or not, sorry for making it more complicated. But i appreciate everyone's input. If only IPS would make the photopost gallery imported to their gallery, then I would plan on sticking with them.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Quillz View Post
                                And modifications for IPB can use a plugin/hook system as well. .
                                Do you mean universal mod installer?
                                If so, then people have to install that module to install other modules
                                and may other modules need manual edition too

                                The laggest potential risks of IPB are
                                * much less modules
                                * much MORE paid modules

                                many of modules there are $$$ while VB's ones are free with same function

                                * installtion of a module is a pain
                                * upgrade forum with mods installed is a bigger pain ...

                                Overall, IPB does "looks" more innovative, but I find it very hard to get supports on modifications/skining while VB has vb.org.

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