vBulletin vs. IPB

[ChrisLM2001]

It's not a challenge by the vB team. It's a challenge from me. I've been fiddling with CSS like crazy these last few months and I understand that IE6 does not play nice with a CSS layout.

You know what I was referring too -- the Kier CSS challenge. The one that started out very simply, that got more convulted as the requirements got crazier and crazier (like getting NS4 to eat XHTML/CSS like fast food without burping). I won't accept the challenge, as the rules are too fluid, and insane.

You do know you can use IE conditionals with IE 5 and IE 6? Or even better, just serve them their specific stylesheet. IIRC, vB did something similiar serving IE specific tags (heck, they already do it with hardcode now).

[ManagerJosh]

I've yet to be able to get any of my CSS work in recent months to play nice with IE6 and in some cases Safari. It's one reason why I cut off support for older browsers on my site and asked members to upgrade to FireFox or IE7.

[ChrisLM2001]

What didn't work? Floats?

[Wayne Luke]

What didn't work? Floats?

IE6's CSS implementation is not the topic of this thread. Either open a new thread to discuss this or drop the subject.

[Frogfish]

The future is the designer will be the coder, and the coder will be the designer, because grandma will be doing both. The vB team of 10 to 20 years from now, won't be putting style as a consideration at the very end of the project, because style would be the heart of it (which the game industry is showing the programming world today).

Very true!

[Comtech]

I'm coming back to vBulletin next tuesday or wednesday.

If anyone really wants to know what I think about IPB when compared to vBulletin, I will tell you to read my previous posts and I stand by them. However, IPB is slower than vBulletin, it isn't as powerful as vBulletin and I believe that vBulletin will be bringing some new and exciting changes in the very near future.

Also, I am giving away my IPB license over at TAZ. If anyone actually wants a IPB license, you can head over there and look in the default forum software category. You heard correctly, I am giving away my IPB license. It doesn't compete against vBulletin beyond a few graphical differences that I truly liked - but, beyond the few nice things about IPB...they really have nothing to offer when you compare feature to feature, ease of use to ease of use.

[ChrisLM2001]

IE6's CSS implementation is not the topic of this thread. Either open a new thread to discuss this or drop the subject.

But the difference between vBulletin and IPS is.

And one of them is IPS doesn't start "unofficial" CSS projects, that are offserver. That when you come back here after a little disagreement of direction of the project (like what the heck to do, when and what for as it was on open slate), get a ban message on vBulletin.com itself, with a self-serving unprofessional personal attacking PM as payback.

Remember?

Then folks wonder why CSS topics are "dropped"? Why folks won't help with CSS, or take that Kier Challenge? Not that it can't be done, but they don't want to do it because they don't pay to be abused.

That's but one major flaw in vBulletin: and one that hurts hundreds, if not thousands of their clients. And no, don't demand clients to shutup because they dislike having to work their butts off for months for a new non-Orwellian style; or pay hundreds to others to do the job (if they can find a designer). $160 isn't much of a value after all that, it's a jail cell.

[msimplay]

But the difference between vBulletin and IPS is.

And one of them is IPS doesn't start "unofficial" CSS projects, that are offserver. That when you come back here after a little disagreement of direction of the project (like what the heck to do, when and what for as it was on open slate), get a ban message on vBulletin.com itself, with a self-serving unprofessional personal attacking PM as payback.

Remember?

Then folks wonder why CSS topics are "dropped"? Why folks won't help with CSS, or take that Kier Challenge? Not that it can't be done, but they don't want to do it because they don't pay to be abused.

That's but one major flaw in vBulletin: and one that hurts hundreds, if not thousands of their clients. And no, don't demand clients to shutup because they dislike having to work their butts off for months for a new non-Orwellian style; or pay hundreds to others to do the job (if they can find a designer). $160 isn't much of a value after all that, it's a jail cell.

You complain too much for no reason the templating system is the best I've worked with amongst various message board systems and the css is simple enough so you can change the whole look of the forum in an hour or so if you know what you are doing.

In contrast to Invision Power Boards CSS system I prefer vbulletins ease of use over IPB's over complication any day since it still allows for the flexibility that you would want as you can add your own CSS attributes and achieve any look you want.

You also seem to forget that a lot of people that have little or no experience with web design or coding use forums to set up their community fast and efficiently.

[ChrisLM2001]

You complain too much for no reason the templating system is the best I've worked with amongst various message board systems and the css is simple enough so you can change the whole look of the forum in an hour or so if you know what you are doing.

Prove it.

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=146952

Clock's ticking.

Wonder if IPB has the same challenge going on? Wonder which forumware will achieve this "Holy Grail", first?

[msimplay]

Prove it.

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=146952

Clock's ticking.

Wonder if IPB has the same challenge going on? Wonder which forumware will achieve this "Holy Grail", first?

lol am not going to prove it am too lazy to undertake such a challenge and I'm not too fussed either long as it displays correctly in the major web browsers.
It's just my opinion and I know you are having a rant as for same challenge they won't allow threads of this kind on their forums. The mods are quick to say there have been loads already covering the same subject

[BamaStangGuy]

Holy Huge Post

Wow, I just want to say that on 1920x1200 resolution I still had to scroll down to get all of that lol.

That was a great post and does highlight a lot that vBulletin does better and some things it def. needs to improve on.

[MRGTB]

From what I have read on the IPB Blog (nothing specific mind you, just bits and bats of information). I don't think IPB are interested in going WC3 Strict

[sinucello]

Hi,

I was suckered in by the promise of a unified login across multiple Invision Boards - something vBulletin has failed to deliver on in 3+ years.

I just can`t stop to mention that a more flexible login-system using an established system like ldap would also make it a lot easier to integrate a forum into an existing website or grow a website around a successful forum. So even if IP allows a single-sign on for mulitple boards but offers no improvements in the integration-direction I still would have a lot of work with removing the gaps between the CMS/shop/chat/whatever apps and the forum.

Sorry for quoting you to make my point ;-).

best,
Sacha

[xjuliox]

I love these threads only because there's no competition when matching other boards against vBulletin

[Floris]

I love these threads only because there's no competition when matching other boards against vBulletin

It all comes down to ' what do I want for my web site, which products can I use to achieve that, who is selling such a product, and which of the options appeals to me the most '. For some customers that is obviously vBulletin, for others it might be phpBB or IPB.