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  • JakeS
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    I've reviewed both, vBulletin is better in my eyes, If you look at the plans of IPB:

    Standered Licence:
    • 6 months support/upgrades
    • 30 days phone support
    • 2 business day ticket response -
    • 5 day major version upgrade turnaround
    • Minor version upgrade via easy upgrade pack
    • One active installation + one test installation
    • Optional 6 month renewal for $25
    $149.99 Personally I think that is a rip off. Plus you have to wait two whole days to get help? I think that is ridiculous.

    Business License
    • 6 months support/upgrades
    • 6 months phone support
    • 1 business day ticket response
    • 3 day major version upgrade turnaround
    • 3 day minor version upgrade turnaround
    • One active installation + one test installation
    • Optional 6 month renewal for $50
    For 299.99 That is a major rip off, but you still have to wait a whole day to get help.

    But lets look at vBulletin Prices:

    vBulletin (Owned License)
    The owned vBulletin Forum license allows you to run the software on your site indefinitely. Along with this license, you will receive one year of free updates. Beyond the first year, you will have to pay a nominal fee, currently $30, to obtain updates for an additional year.

    This license includes free support via email and on the community forum. Phone Support is not included in the license price but may be purchased for an additional cost either at the time of initial purchase, or afterwards through the Members' Area.$160.00 each
    That price compared to IPB is brilliant as for email support and stuff its almost instant help.

    vBulletin (Leased License)
    The leased vBulletin Forum license allows you to use the software on your site for 1 year and gives you access to products updates for that year. After 1 year, you must renew your license or remove the software from your site.

    This license includes free support via email and on the community forum. Phone Support is not included in the license price but may be purchased for an additional cost either at the time of initial purchase, or afterwards through the members' area.
    $85.00 each
    That price is also good, and also has almost instant support.

    Ok now we got the prices compared lets look at the features..

    IPB:
    Advanced Moderation Features

    IP.Board gives you complete control over what tasks are delegated to your moderators, and they'll find the various moderation tools we've included indispensible!
    • Moderation queue
    • User warning system (updated)
    • User suspension controls
    • Topic/post multi-moderation



    Community-driven user profiles

    Improve and encourage user interaction, with the brand-new user profiles. Why should your users go elsewhere for their social-networking fix?
    • Personal profiles NEW!
    • Buddy lists NEW!
    • Comment within profiles NEW!
    • Rate users NEW!



    It's extensible

    Want to add your own features or integrate with your own software? IP.Board is highly extensible, so that with some programming skills, nearly anything is possible!
    • Components system
    • Active modification community
    • IP.Converge for 'single sign-on' between boards and even other software NEW!



    Easy content sharing

    IP.Board supports content-sharing standards right out of the box, making it simple to share your own content with others, or reuse content from elsewhere.
    • RSS export of any forum
    • Import RSS content as posts (updated)
    • Show content on your site with SSI
    • E-mail or print topics and posts



    Powerful customization

    Make your board stand out from the crowd, by customizing just about every aspect of it! IP.Board makes it an easy task with its built in customization tools.
    • Download pre-made skins for your board from our resource site
    • Powerful skin creator built in
    • Download and create language packs



    Comprehensive Administration Panel

    IP.Board has one of the most powerful Admin Panels in the industry - but it's still easy to use. Micro-manage every aspect of your board, or use default options - your choice!
    • Download pre-made skins for your board from our resource site
    • Powerful skin creator built in
    • Download and create language packs




    vBulletin:
    General Features
    • Scalable solution - database server and web servers can reside on separate machines.
    • MySQL back-end database
    • vBulletin can be run on any machine that can support PHP and MySQL (Solaris, BSD, Linux, Windows, Mac)
    • Written in PHP which makes for a fast and efficient product
    • Admin Control Panel
    • Moderator Control Panel
    • User Control Panel
    • Compliant with the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act (COPPA) of 1998. See this page for more information: http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/coppa.htm
    General Forum Features Threads
    • Thread display options - sort by, sort order, from date
    • Thread and forum subscription (notification by email optional)
    • Thread preview on mouse-over (optional, via Admin CP)
    • Active Users viewing thread shown
    • New Post Indicator
    • Printer Friendly versions on threads
    • Admin tools for Threads - edit/delete/move/lock/Make sticky/ etc
    • Email page to a friend option
    • Similar Threads displayed on all thread views
    Posts
    • Linear, Threaded, Hybrid display views available
    • Supports BB Code in posts
    • Supports HTML in post
    • Smilies
    • Avatars
    • Optional WYSIWYG or standard editors for posts and Private Messages
    • Attachment images (.gif,.jpg, etc) are no longer in the database (optional, via Admin CP)
    • Quick reply box (with optional "forced" click on post to quote)
    • Preview post option
    • Post rating
    • User reputation
    • Polls
    • Post Reporting - report posts to moderators
    • User post count
    • Admin tools for Posts - edit/delete/move/ etc
    • Preview safe attachments
    Members
    • Member List
    • Member Search
    • User Style picker
    • Private Messaging
    • Buddy list
    • Member Birthdays shown on Forum home
    Calendar Features
    • Supports multiple private and public calendars
    • Viewable public and private events (adminCP option)
    • Weekly, monthly and yearly views
    • Jump to Today option
    • Add single, ranged or recurring events
    • Add all day events
    • Option to show calendar event on forum home page (adminCP option)
    • Show events to specific usergroups (adminCP option)
    • Calendar Moderation
    • Private events reminder
    • Ability to add custom fields
    General
    • Who's online
    • Search
    User Control Panel Features Editable user profile
    This information can be viewed by other members from the member list. Custom user title, URL home page, date of birth, instant messaging medium, location, occupation, biography, interests, vB version, plus any other custom user fields that may be defined by the administrator
    Profile pictures
    Allows members to upload pictures that can be viewed in the users' profile.
    Private Messaging
    • Pop-up notification when new PM received
    • Private Message Tracking
    • Private Message filing in custom folders
    User Options
    These include Daylight Savings options, forum style chooser, selection of notification types for PM, emails etc, thread display options, WYSIWYG editor options, language chooser, vCard downloads to allow the user profile to be placed into an address book
    Attachment Management
    • View attachment statistics - shows limit and used space
    • View the attachments you have posted (link or thumbnail views available)
    • Remove attachments
    Avatar Options
    • Admin Defined Avatars
    • Custom Avatars - upload from your own computer or specify a URL
    General
    • View and manage subscribed threads and forums
    • Calendar event reminders for subscribed events
    • Pop-up auto-refreshing buddylist with ICQ-style alerts when new buddies come online
    • Signature Editor
    • Email and password changes require current password
    • Joinable Public User Groups
    Admin Control Panel Features Styling & Templates
    • Templated system
    • Conditionals supported in the templates
    • Ability to create multiple styles which can be applied to different forums and users
    • Ability to upload / download styles and languages
    Language & Phrase Management
    • Language manager - allows you to easily translate your forums in any language
    • Multiple languages supported
    • Phrase manager
    Users & Usergroups
    • User registration options
    • User banning (by name & IP)
    • Global ignore user aka 'Tachy goes to Coventry' - when enabled all posts by the specified user will be ignored/unseen by other members. Automatically added to the all users ignore lists
    • Unlimited Moderators and SuperModerators
    • Permission system, based on user, usergroup or forums
    Board Maintenance
    • Task Scheduler
    • Control Panel, Moderator & Task logs
    • Board statistics
    • Maintentance - Database backups, table repair
    • Post Prunning
    Moderation
    • Moderation queues for user registration and posting
    • Calendar moderation
    Import Facility
    • Import facility - import posts and members seamlessly upgrade from other bulletin board systems, including Infopop's Ultimate Bulletin Board, UBBThreads, OpenTopic, ezboard, and Ikonboard
    Attachments
    • Multiple attachments and types (types defined by admin in CP)
    • Attachment thumbnails (requires PHP to have GD enabled)
    • Storage type options for attachements (database or file system)
    • Attachment moderation
    General
    • Multiple calendars supported
    • Paid Subscriptions (PayPal, WorldPay, NOCHEX and Authorize.net)
    • Private forums
    • COPPA compliant
    • Server Settings and Optimisation options configurable via the adminCP
    • Editable FAQ for your own boards
    • Context sensitive help throughout the adminCP
    IPB May look like it has "Better" Or "More" features but when you actually use it, It's not as good as it sounds as for vBulletin they are true to their word, I'm not saying they don't have the features just saying there not as good .

    I've used:
    IPB 1.3/.1 IPB 2.0.x IPB 2.1 to 2.1.4, IPB 2.2, vB 3.5.4 to 3.6.4.

    Thats all from me Hope this helps.

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  • Mazinger
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    I'm confused...

    I see similar recent features in both vB & IPB...like Multi-Quote, Quote Tags Link to Quoted Post, Jumb to Page, Re-size Lager & Smaller, Switch Editor... etc.

    Just wonder who created them first, and who stolen the ideas?
    Last edited by Mazinger; Sun 31 Dec '06, 2:10am.

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  • Sephiroth
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    Well, in my opinion, I have been getting quite accustomed to the IPB 2.2/2.1 style admin panel, and I gotta say, their admin panel is pretty well designed. Sure, your stuff isn't all in one big list, but I like the tabbed effect they've done there..

    I hold a perpetual licence for IPB, and an owned license for vB, and as others have said in this thread, there's quite a few differences between the two. For both forum software, I've spent countless hours in the admin panel just skinning the forum. I like IPB's "Macro" setup they have, but with 2.2 and the tons of new images they've added, it seems like they didn't want to utilize that macro system for the new images. Also, IPB hasn't come out with a new GDK ever since IPB 2.0.0 FINAL was released, so that's way behind. vBulletin's template editor is quite easy to use, and the CSS editor is great. But I'm one of those people that would rather edit the raw css file right there.

    As for skins and styles, vBulletin has a great resource at vb.org, whereas IPB, you gotta google around, and 9 times out of 10, the sites you DO find, just won't accept the average person's email address because they've either been spammed to death in the past, or hacked. I don't like that.

    As far as features, I love IPB's editor and how it looks, but it's a tad image heavy. You can't even attach files to an IPB 2.2 board WITHOUT javascript enabled, which is also a bad point there. Polls in IPB 2.2 also require javascript. I absolutely love how vBulletin doesn't REQUIRE the use of javascript to navagate the forums. vBulletin knows that javascript simply isn't available to all users. IPB also has had to COMPRESS their javascript files, because of how excessive it is. Hell, I wonder how I even handled running a 2.1.7 board on dialup. *shrugs*

    As far as modules and add-on scripts, IPB has quite a few handy ones, but 9 times out of 10, you're gonna end up having to purchase an additional license just for that module.

    But in the end, it all boils down to user preference. I run my own site using vBulletin, and the hacks I got are pretty minimal, because vBulletin gives me just what I need. I run an IPB 2.2 for a friend's site, and it needed a few code hacks just to get some things working as needed.. (Try to get a PNG image to show up in the "Recent PMs tab" of that my assistant thingy without any source edits)

    Well, I'm going to close this post with a thought. Reguarding Google Guru's comment on IPB's profile system. I, for one, love the new profiles IPB has introduced, BUT, IPB needs to do something about privacy. Lots of members don't like how all of a sudden, their contacts in their Personal Messenger address list, all of a sudden became "Friends", and that information is now displayed to the public for everyone to see. Myself, I would like to simply turn that off, but you simply can't, because the only options for it is to show 3, 5, or 10 friends in that block. Comments are the same way. Yea, I know, you can simply revert to the old profile view prior to 2.2, but then the profiles go back to something static and unused. I, for one, wouldn't blame it if Jelsoft actually "copies" that feature because of popular demand. iDunno, let's just leave it to fate and see what fate has in store for us.

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  • whitetigergrowl
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    Yes you are still legal as long as the copyright isn't removed.

    IMO they are close. Like anything each one has its pluses and minuses. However you are right. It all depends on how each person utilizes the most out of their forum software. Honestly, the forum software is only as good as the person using it. If your skins suck, your forums/topics/posts aren't interesting, members aren't active, etc. it won't matter WHAT forum software you are using. Some like IPB...some like VB. But if they really like your community they usually stay no matter what and will grow accustomed to what there is to offer.

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  • boochkn
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    Originally posted by whitetigergrowl View Post
    Simply not true. Just because your forum may not need those features doesn't mean another forum doesn't. Its natural progression and its highly likely we will see something similar with an upcoming Vbulletin upgrade. ....
    .....But yes, definetly get several other opinions on less biased sites.
    Thanks, that's probably the best unbiased thing I have read. I was starting to wonder about all the people that say they have liceses to both...could be they bought one lifetime and then switched and it could mean that the two products are so close to each other that it may not really matter all that much which one you use as long as you become intimately familiar with it enough to utilize it's potential. I have been using v 1.3 for the simple fact that I built the forum for my personal group of friends and me to use without any plans for eventual public interest and as far as I remember the IPB I installed was free indefinitely as long as I didn't remove the 'powered by...' copyright...now I am wondering if that is still the case considering the changes IPB has apparently made (I have been off in limbo just working with my forum and not paying attention to the upgrades..etc.)

    Does anyone know if I am still 'legal'?

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  • ThorstenA
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    I prefer to surf on vbulletin forums than on IPB forums. User experience is maybe the most important thing if you are considering buying forum software.

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  • whitetigergrowl
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    Originally posted by Google Guru View Post
    The whole new profile look thing of Invision Power Board is horrible. Looks more like MySpace with last visitors, comments, friends, etc. Seriously, people want more features that make a forum more usable, not to have their own myspace. Seriously, I've been a long time fan of IP.Board, having my own yearly license before they screwed up everything with the removal of support in the forums, creation of IPS Beyond and the new personal and business license types. Now I am just running phpBB until my forum gets larger and I will purchase a vBulletin license then.
    Simply not true. Just because your forum may not need those features doesn't mean another forum doesn't. Its natural progression and its highly likely we will see something similar with an upcoming Vbulletin upgrade. Having such features helps enhance the community and community feel. Why do you think that websites like Facebook and Myspace are doing so well? Community. It gives people their own identity, which on forums at the moment is a rather limiting thing. Why have member profiles if all they are there for is looks? Why not make them more interactive? IMO IPB 2.2 took the next logical step with the profile system. How much do you wanna bet VB and others will be following suit at some point.

    Don't choose IPB. They are just bad, unfair, support is bad and slow.

    BTW, Quills it looks like you like IPB more than vBulletin, but you can like whatever you want.
    Thats your opinion. I'm just curious what experience you have with them. Lets put it this way. If they were that bad and that unfair, people wouldn't be comparing VB to IPB so much now would they? Both forum software and those in charge of it and the respective forums have their strengths and weaknesses. It doesn't mean one is necessarily better than another. And considering how young IPB is compared to VB, and how often the 2 get compared...it looks to me like IPB is doing well. Both are based out of Great Britain. I'm curious which forum software company makes the most money. That would help tell some tales I'm sure. Just look at their incomes.

    But I digress.

    I know IPB's modding sites, all of them. I'm a member at those sites. I used IPB for 2 years, and they in no way compare to vB.org. All of them combined.
    Why stop there? How do they not compare..combined.

    Crap like this comes down to ideals. IMO its a childish mentality. If you don't pick a side, then that must automatically mean you are sided with the 'enemy'. Thats the largest line of bull.

    There are many people here and at the IPS forums that have BOTH VB and IPB licenses. I've tried both IPB and VB forum software out with my members. They prefer and love IPB 2.2 and especially the new profile system which they have been using insanely alot. Whereas before they had no reason to look at profiles since they were so static and unexciting and uninteractive. But that doesn't make VB any less. I could start up a new site aimed at a different demographic and get people that prefer VB over IPB.

    IPB is aimed at a different demographic than VB is. IPB is seemingly more for those that prefer a more advanced system. Where as VB is more simple. They both can be tailored to suit a persons needs through template edits and hacks.

    In my experience, vBulletin is certainly easier to maintain with added mods through the product / plugin system. I used ipb and remember wading through lines of code modifications to do the simplest things and eventually got fed up. Also if you use a unique design in my own opinion it is much more difficult to convert your skin with each upgrade as ipb tends to change dramatically in that area frequently. Of course both systems are great at what they do and it boils down to personal preference. Try asking opinions outside a vbulletin or invision forum though for more balanced views.
    The plug-in system is nice. However the thing about many mods is they add to the number of queries on a site. And its possible some sort of plug-in system or something similar could be coming for IPB 3.0. IPB borrows from VB and vice versa. So its not out of the question. Remember, before VB 3.5, you needed to hack the code too. So this is still relatively new to VB as well. VB plays catch up on some things with IPB and IPB plays catch up on some things with VB.

    But I agree. It boils down to personal preference and what you feel would be best for your site and your members. Both have come along way. And both are great forum software. Thus why many have licenses for BOTH boards.

    But yes, definetly get several other opinions on less biased sites.

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  • Quillz
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    Originally posted by AlexndR View Post
    Don't choose IPB. They are just bad, unfair, support is bad and slow.

    BTW, Quills it looks like you like IPB more than vBulletin, but you can like whatever you want.
    Actually, while I use IP.Board on my own live board, I own licenses to both vB and IP.Board, and use vB for an intranet board that I manage. I try to be as fair as possible when evaluating both solutions. Yes, I'm on Jelsoft's board, but no, I will not blindly say that vB is the uber best!!!!!!!!!1111!!!11+shift!

    With that said, exactly what makes IPB "bad?" I don't find IPS to be unfair, just because they have different business tactics from Jelsoft. While I agree that having a pre-sales forum is a better solution than relying entirely on e-mail, it really comes down to what works best for each company. I do agree their support is not as good as Jelsoft's though, but like anything, things take time. Jelsoft has been consistent with their company since their beginning, whereas IPS has changed a few times.

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  • AlexndR
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    Originally posted by Discussions View Post
    That isn’t necessarily true in all cases and the IPB pricing scheme is proof of that. IPB in the eyes, minds of the majority of forum users and administrators is 2nd best and at times it is even considered 3rd best – behind PHPBB.

    As a former license holder of IPB, I have to say it lacked and the latest version I tried was 2.2, reminds me more of how not to create a forum software package.

    With VBulletin, you do get what you pay for & that being a high quality (the highest quality) discussion board.
    I agree, vBulletin is much better.
    Read my post here: http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=214156
    Last edited by AlexndR; Fri 29 Dec '06, 11:00am.

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  • Comtech
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    Originally posted by Quillz View Post
    IP.Board certainly is a bit more expensive than vBulletin, although "you get what you pay for."
    That isn’t necessarily true in all cases and the IPB pricing scheme is proof of that. IPB in the eyes, minds of the majority of forum users and administrators is 2nd best and at times it is even considered 3rd best – behind PHPBB.

    As a former license holder of IPB, I have to say it lacked and the latest version I tried was 2.2, reminds me more of how not to create a forum software package.

    With VBulletin, you do get what you pay for & that being a high quality (the highest quality) discussion board.

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  • AlexndR
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    Don't choose IPB. They are just bad, unfair, support is bad and slow.

    BTW, Quills it looks like you like IPB more than vBulletin, but you can like whatever you want.

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  • Quillz
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    Originally posted by Google Guru View Post
    The whole new profile look thing of Invision Power Board is horrible. Looks more like MySpace with last visitors, comments, friends, etc. Seriously, people want more features that make a forum more usable, not to have their own myspace. Seriously, I've been a long time fan of IP.Board, having my own yearly license before they screwed up everything with the removal of support in the forums, creation of IPS Beyond and the new personal and business license types. Now I am just running phpBB until my forum gets larger and I will purchase a vBulletin license then.
    You are able to turn off the personal profile settings and use a classic profile design. And the new licensing scheme for IP.Board is better for current customers, as it becomes cheaper in the long run. As for new customers, IP.Board certainly is a bit more expensive than vBulletin, although "you get what you pay for."
    Last edited by Quillz; Sat 17 Feb '07, 9:14pm. Reason: Fixed the small typo!

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  • Google Guru
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    The whole new profile look thing of Invision Power Board is horrible. Looks more like MySpace with last visitors, comments, friends, etc. Seriously, people want more features that make a forum more usable, not to have their own myspace. Seriously, I've been a long time fan of IP.Board, having my own yearly license before they screwed up everything with the removal of support in the forums, creation of IPS Beyond and the new personal and business license types. Now I am just running phpBB until my forum gets larger and I will purchase a vBulletin license then.

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  • Quillz
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    Originally posted by Smoothie View Post
    I know IPB's modding sites, all of them. I'm a member at those sites. I used IPB for 2 years, and they in no way compare to vB.org. All of them combined.
    There are hundreds of modding sites for vB and IP.Board. Are you really a member at every single one?

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  • Quillz
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    Originally posted by boochkn View Post
    Wow! Thanks for all the fast replies.

    I am going to have to consider what I need to do.

    I have had Zero problems in the past 4 years or so of running IPB...would be nice to upgrade but it's been running fine and I have even found mods that I have had zero problems installing. I have a very limited coding background but it's been enough to keep me from ever considering contacting the support for IPB.

    That being said, I like how refined the later versions of IPB and vBulletin have become...not being one to sit and tweak for weeks and weeks (not to mention I am not a great PHP guy) I really think I would be ok just getting the newer version without any support...but then if I have to buy a license to access the migration program then I will have to contemplate the next step.
    If you have had no outstanding issues with IP.Board, I see little reason to change. I am in no way saying that vB is not worth the investment, but you should really be sure to fully test vB, IP.Board and any other BBS before considering a migration or a new financial investment. After testing, you may very well prefer vB, because of its wealth of features and thorough documentation, or you may completely hate everything about it.
    Originally posted by AlexndR View Post
    An example is the Card feature, which was great, but they removed it because they think it is "unneeded" but some people might think it is useful and might wanna use it. Also I don't like IPB's new style, their attitude.
    vBulletin is better, that's it. I know lots about forums, and that is what I know after I have checked both of them. Al thought IPB's default style is kinda nice but I know you can skin vBulletin more easily, and IPB styles looks too much like eachother. I prefer vBulletin.
    Styles and skins have absolutely nothing to do with the board software, and everything to do with those reponsible for creating the styles and skins. I've seen plenty of vB, IP.Board, phpBB, etc. styles and skins that look like each other, that are highly unoriginal, etc. And then I've seen many others that are incredibly unique and have a very admirable design. Although I do feel that it is easier to modify vBulletin styles, because vB uses live preview within the Style Manager of the ACP, something that I wish that IPS would adopt in future versions of IP.Board.

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