Vbulletin ought to get rid of the leased license

[whitetigergrowl]

There are lot's of other way's to track some 1...

Well, i think you should get rid of those leased licences. I din't even think about buying a leased, got straid tho the owned

Those have nothing to do with tracking someone.

[KimmiKat]

Reading some of the posts here, you don't want Jelsoft marketing to be a copy of IPB. The $85 pricepoint has been in existance since the dinosaurs roamed the earth.

[Rob B]

I currently have a leased lisence because I didn't want to shell out lots of money and dedicate myself to the product right away.

I do have one suggestions regarding the cost of vBulletin:

- Extend discount for leased lisence owners upgrading to owned lisence. I am not sure a month is long enough, most people get the leased lisence because they are unsure about how successful their forum may be, with the months limit you are basically giving people just a month to make a judgement, and it usually takes longer than that for site to even start establishing itself. Around 4-6 months would be more like it.

Regarding coffeefix, I am not sure what his complaint is. When you purchased the leased lisence it is made clear that the cost is $85 per year, so I am not sure why you are so upset and shocked at the fact that at the end of the year you are being asked to pay again. vBulletin is an allround better product and service that Invision and the rest and therefore will cost you more money in the long-run, simple as that. What you are suggesting is that vBulletin charge just $85 for you to run the software on your site for life - vB is worth much more than that. Also you should bare in mind that Invision can charge less because they make money off it's spin off products like Blog as well, which Jelsoft don't currently offer, all their profits come from vBulletin sales and that money goes in to keeping vBulletin as the market leader not just for the product, but for the amazing support that goes with it.

[Ohiosweetheart]

You know, I always though the leased liscense was a bit too much. With an owned liscense costing not even double more than a leased, anyone serious would probably go with the owned liscense. I understand though that there's people who want to try it out more than the admin demo too, which is probably why this liscense still exists. That being said, it probably is a good target for piracy theft. Never really thought of it that way, so my original opinion of lowering the lease liscense sseems to be a bad idea.

I for one, am glad the lease license exists since, as a newly divorced mom of 2, there was NO way I could come up with the full purchase price for the owned license. I have, however, since purchased an owned license.
I guess I'm speaking for those who live on very limited incomes... the leased license is good if you want to get your forum going. Then you have an entire year, to know if it's going to fly, to decide if you like vB, and to scrape up the $ for the owned license

[Quillz]

Reading some of the posts here, you don't want Jelsoft marketing to be a copy of IPB. The $85 pricepoint has been in existance since the dinosaurs roamed the earth.

Or since 2000.

[coffeefix]

I guess I'm speaking for those who live on very limited incomes... the leased license is good if you want to get your forum going. Then you have an entire year, to know if it's going to fly, to decide if you like vB, and to scrape up the $ for the owned license

But you only have 30 days to upgrade for $85. For those on a limited income, I think it would be more attractive to pay $85 and if they would like to, another $85 to upgrade to an owned at any point during the lifetime of their original license.

Regarding coffeefix, I am not sure what his complaint is. When you purchased the leased lisence it is made clear that the cost is $85 per year, so I am not sure why you are so upset and shocked at the fact that at the end of the year you are being asked to pay again.

I am not shocked, and I get the idea that is is PER YEAR there was no need to emphasize that part. I have no problem paying again just not $160 on top of the $85 that was already paid. Basically extending the 30 day offer. And by reading some of the posts in this thread it seems that some at least partially agree with me. Like I said in an earlier post I probably will get an owned license at some point anyway.

[Mike Anime]

i am so out of the loop here when i bought my leased licence we had a full year to get the owned licence for the difference in price.

i bought the leased licence and upgraded to owned and through no fault of vB i regreted it as my fourms never took off so i sold my licence and shortley there after i had to go offline for a few years now

[Zachery]

No you haven't mike. its always been 30 days.

[badblu01]

No you haven't mike. its always been 30 days.

I think that 30 days should be 60 days

[Quillz]

I think that 30 days should be 60 days

Why? A month is typically enough time to evaluate if it's worth upgrading to an owned license.

[Rover416]

Why not just stick your hand in your pocket and get the full license and be done with it.

You know as well as the rest of us that Vbulletin is worth far more thajn the $160 for a full license and its far better than the competition.

The terms and conditions are all in black and white when you first purchased a license, you dont like it, why buy one in the first place.

Laters

Some of us bought a leased license to see how the forum worked out, maybe you have a damn good job.

My leased license runs out in a month and i found out yesterday that i am being laid off so i might have to remove mine.

Dont get me wrong i am not complaining about the leased license but posts like yours really tick me off.

[Floris]

Some of us bought a leased license to see how the forum worked out, maybe you have a damn good job.

My leased license runs out in a month and i found out yesterday that i am being laid off so i might have to remove mine.

Dont get me wrong i am not complaining about the leased license but posts like yours really tick me off.

And that's why Jelsoft gives customers 30 days to rethink their purchase and upgrade to an owned license. Upgrade fee is $85. After the 30 days it is also possible to upgrade but then the upgrade fee is $160.

[Rover416]

And that's why Jelsoft gives customers 30 days to rethink their purchase and upgrade to an owned license. Upgrade fee is $85. After the 30 days it is also possible to upgrade but then the upgrade fee is $160.

I know that, at the time i had enough for the leased license, i was going to renew but it will be put off a little while until i get a new job.

I was stating that posts like that are not really needed as maybe some people (like myself) have family and cannot afford the $160 (£90) at the time.

[Shining Arcanine]

Hi,

I am a former leased license holder, as you know the leased license costs $85, and is good for 1 year and after the year you have to renew or upgrade the license or remove the software from your site. Why even bother having the leased license then? Why not be more in line with your competitors? For example the cost of an IPB licensed (yearly) is $69 and after the year you can still run the version you have but no longer have access to updates- More than reasonable if you ask me. WBB (woltlab burning board software)- the cost of a starter license is $32 and allows you to use it forever. Other plans shown here: http://woltlab.de/products/burning_board/buy_en.php regardeless of the plan you have you can at least use the version you have for a lifetime.

I purchased my VB leased license in May of 2005 and obviously it expired and I had to remove the software, which I did. So basically I'm out $85 and what do I have to show for it?...... Nothing. I have no issues with the cost of the software itself but rather the amount of time a leased license holder is allowed to use the software. Why not allow the purcahser to at least run the version that they have at the time of license expiration? In my case I think it was 3.5.2 or 3.5.3? Again out $85 and nothing to show for it.

Just my thoughts.

When you pay your cable company for television service for a year upfront, do you complain to them when you have to pay more money to continue using it after a year? You agreed to pay $85 for one year of usage. The one year is done, you got what you paid for and you agreed to that before you paid. There is nothing to discuss other than greed being one of the seven deadly sins.

So we should just drop leased licenses all together and only offer the owned license at 160?

That sounds like a plan.

How is it fair for us to offer a license to someone in the US for 500 US and another country like Germany for 300 USD? (just for example).

Just because I live in a more wealthy area of the world does not mean that I should pay more than someone in a poorer area, and it does not mean that I am better off. First off, I am a student that cannot afford to pay more regardless of what someone in a poorer region does. Second, living in a more expensive area is not generally indicative of more wealth but more debt and higher expenses. Many people where I live are up to their eyeballs in debt and the last thing they need are additional "luxury" expenses. It is not like we do not already have them, with New York State's property and sales taxes, those who have less money pay more in taxes per dollar than those who have more and are typically in much more debt. And with the minimum wage increases that the democrats keep pushing through with their majority in the legislature, the cost of living raises and the ability of the state's businesses to bring in more money to compensate through salary increases declines. The only thing that helps compensate for this is inflation, but that hurts those who are trying to save money, by making their savings dissipiate over night.

Personally I would be in favor of dropping leased license altogether or only offering them in an encrypted format. Most of the software piracy, fraud and scams we deal with are related to leased licenses which are far out of proportion of these licenses sold.

Having said that, Jelsoft has maintined the exact same prices since they started in 2000. Given inflation, a vB license is actually cheaper now that it was 6 years ago. There aren't many commercial competitors that can make the same claim.

As others have pointed out, we have always been completely upfront about our pricing and these policies. I'm sorry if you feel you've been taken advantage of, but we did provide you with exactly what you purchased and what we said we would.

As for the future of the leased license, who knows? It does serve some useful purpose as others have noted.

I think you should get rid of the leased license if doing so will cut down on piracy. It might not increase sales, but it will be more fair to those who paid.

[Icheb]

I don't get what the problems of some of these folks in here are.
If the concept of a leased license is nothing for you, great. There are enough people in here who like it and use it.
If the price of the product in general, whether leased or owned, is too high for you, I have a quick suggestion for you: don't use it. Get one of the many cheaper or even free alternatives.

You don't go to a BMW dealership either and say "that car isn't worth the 50k, I don't want to pay that much". You don't go to your realtor and say "that house isn't worth the 300k, I can't afford that. please lower the price so I can still get it".

If a product isn't worth the price, the market will regulate itself and the company will go bankrupt because no one will buy it. If it's worth it, people will buy it and no one cares if some random person can't afford it. And if you can't afford it, then a certain product just isn't for you. Live with it and move on. Jelsoft is doing strangely well when you consider that their only product is so expensive that no one can afford it.
So stop with the complaining and get a life, so you can have some REAL problems to worry about.