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  • Floris
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    And with that post the discussion is over, the rest will otherwise just be other forum software vs vbulletin.

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  • Quillz
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    That's an opinion, and not a fact. He wants reasons why he should use vB, as have been detailed in previous messages.

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  • cyberxp9
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    Originally posted by CrimsonBat
    I need a reason to purchase vB 3.5, I need someone to bring up a feature unique to vB, and only vB that IPB doesnt have, or isnt capable of doing besides the plugin system.
    Don't be dumb vb pawns.

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  • smokering
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    Originally posted by CrimsonBat
    I need a reason to purchase vB 3.5, I need someone to bring up a feature unique to vB, and only vB that IPB doesnt have, or isnt capable of doing besides the plugin system.


    superior customer service and nice bunch of folks over her to do business with. also with the plugins and a ton of php coders writing all these wonderful mods this system is fast simple to use and maintain. these guys are like the american express of boards i would never have a board without it

    and did i mention superior customer service

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  • Floris
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    Originally posted by Quillz
    Has the online demo been upgraded to 3.5.0 yet? Some potential customers were complaining that it wasn't...
    Not yet, shouldn't be long now

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  • Vtec44
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    Originally posted by whitetigergrowl

    As well, one of 2 things are happening if there are so many duplicate threads in the first 2 pages.

    1. People are just lazy and don't look. They post...THEN look.

    2. The search function is flawed. They type in "IPB" and get back a bunch of threads that have nothing to do with what they are looking for.
    1. I totally agree. Generally, people are like that, and you just have to deal with it. My job is somewhat costomer service oriented, so it's typical for me. But, I like what I do so it doesn't bother me. If you can't deal with it, then probably you shouldn't be in customer service.

    2. I did a search for "IPB" and this thread came up first.

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  • CrimsonBat
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    Yeah.. uhh... about the demo.. its still 3.0

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  • Zachery
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    Make sure you are using the boolean option to search for IPB

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  • whitetigergrowl
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    Originally posted by Vtec44
    And the great thing about vB support staff is that they don't mind repeating the answer. I've seen the same question over and over again in the "How to" forum, and I don't mind repeating the answer at all. I don't see anything wrong with that. The point of customer service is to try to help people, not make them feel dumb. If you don't want to read it, then don't reply. No?
    True...but at the same time, its that effort that could be going into the forum software, rather than having answered that "IPB vs VB" thread for the millionth time. As well, how many "IPB vs VB" threads are needed? Seriously.

    As well, one of 2 things are happening if there are so many duplicate threads in the first 2 pages.

    1. People are just lazy and don't look. They post...THEN look.

    2. The search function is flawed. They type in "IPB" and get back a bunch of threads that have nothing to do with what they are looking for.

    Honestly, it becomes a waste if only the first page or 2 ever get looked at, and all it is, is just a bunch of duplicate questions. A minority do use the search option, or they look themselves through the forums. But thats infrequent.

    As well, its usually the members doing most of the replying. Not the staff. Problem with that, is you may get wrong information. And by the time the staff gets around to correcting it, the potential customer may have already seen the flawed answer, assumed it as fact, and left. And lost a potential customer in the process.

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  • Vtec44
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    And the great thing about vB support staff is that they don't mind repeating the answer. I've seen the same question over and over again in the "How to" forum, and I don't mind repeating the answer at all (I'm not part of the support staff BTW). I don't see anything wrong with that. The point of customer service is to try to help people, not make them feel dumb. If you don't want to read it, then don't reply. No?
    Last edited by Vtec44; Mon 10th Oct '05, 1:31pm.

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  • whitetigergrowl
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    LOL And lets get real for a minute. Look at how many duplicate topics there are here in pre-sales. Its obvious over 90% of the people don't do a search. And if they do, they just do a quick skim over and thats it. Lucky to get to the second page. If they don't see it on page 1, it doesn't exist. Not saying all potential customers do that, just most.

    So really, a support ticket system is more personal, and eliminates alot of wasted space in the forums. IMO

    If people did use the search option, there wouldn't be as many, "What does VB have that IPB doesn't have." threads. I see 2 already just on page 1! I can uderstand if its for something specific. But 9 out of 10 times its not. Its just the typical general feel of what one has the other might not.

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  • Quillz
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    Originally posted by VietLang
    You know what, here's something to consider that vBulletin is indeed a superior product in term of releasing a stable, secured product.

    I got this from invisionboard.com

    IPB 2.1 Final was released on September 13

    IPB 2.1.1 was released on September 22

    Are you kidding me? Just 10 days after their supposed to be stable release and you need bug fixes already? Talking about immature release and unstable product. Although they added some new features, but some of those are "re-added due to popular requests" I don't know about others, but IMHO, the IPB 2.1 is not a "complete" product. That's why they had to added to some new features just after 10 days. Who can guarantee that the new added features don't have any bugs? Or who's to say that the supposedly added features aren't actually bugs themselves? I don't want to appearing to be bashing them but you have to wonder. vBulletin 3.5 Gold has a longer shelf life than IPB 2.1 Final.

    Also, the presales forum at invisionboard is not public viewable? I clicked on there several times myself and it directed me to a ticket system. Opening a ticket for presale questions? I think that's lame. I'll stick with vBulletin "openess" style. I find so many questions answered without having to opening a ticket, or registered/login for that matter.
    Actually, I'm glad IPB released 2.1.1 within 10 days. It shows they are on top of their game, fixing bugs as they become known. As good as vB 3.5.0 is, you think we'll never see a 3.5.1? All products have bugs; the ones in 3.5.0 just haven't been known yet.

    Also, as an actual IPB customer, I find it much better that they switched all support manners to support tickets, rather than private customer forums. It's a little hard to explain, but the change was for the better, I feel.

    But this board is for vB, so I'll stop here.

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  • VietLang
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    You know what, here's something to consider that vBulletin is indeed a superior product in term of releasing a stable, secured product.

    I got this from invisionboard.com

    IPB 2.1 Final was released on September 13

    IPB 2.1.1 was released on September 22

    Are you kidding me? Just 10 days after their supposed to be stable release and you need bug fixes already? Talking about immature release and unstable product. Although they added some new features, but some of those are "re-added due to popular requests" I don't know about others, but IMHO, the IPB 2.1 is not a "complete" product. That's why they had to added to some new features just after 10 days. Who can guarantee that the new added features don't have any bugs? Or who's to say that the supposedly added features aren't actually bugs themselves? I don't want to appearing to be bashing them but you have to wonder. vBulletin 3.5 Gold has a longer shelf life than IPB 2.1 Final.

    Also, the presales forum at invisionboard is not public viewable? I clicked on there several times myself and it directed me to a ticket system. Opening a ticket for presale questions? I think that's lame. I'll stick with vBulletin "openess" style. I find so many questions answered without having to opening a ticket, or registered/login for that matter.
    Last edited by VietLang; Mon 10th Oct '05, 11:34am.

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  • Quillz
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    Originally posted by Floris
    A good reason to pick vB over other forum software is because the big web sites have found out it helps them, that we indeed are giving priority to security, that we indeed have a well balanced setup of features against performance, that we indeed provide complete features with not just an off/on switch but with a lot of additional options to tweak it for your small to enterprise web site. And that we indeed have professional staff members that are trained to help and perform within a timely matter. We don't change policy every now and then, we don't change our prices every now and then and we are listening to our customers. We have a public bug report system, a public feedback and suggestions forum and both public and private support forums/system. We also have a massive community behind vBulletin that helps at no cost and shares at no cost resources like language packs, styles, graphics, tutorials, hacks, mods, plugins, etc.

    You can go to any third party forum web site and compare their feature list which they hopefully post in public against ours, which you can find here:
    http://www.vbulletin.com/features.php and every announcement of any new version will have specific changes.

    vBulletin 2 and 3's features and options are all in 3.5, here's a rough summary of these new 3.5 features and options:
    • Product/Plugin system with over 550 'hook' locations strategically placed in the code. Allows modification and extension of vBulletin without physical alteration of the vBulletin PHP scripts.
    • Inline moderation allows multiple threads or posts to be have moderation actions performed without a visit to the admin or moderator control panels
    • Completely rewritten message editor with ability to instantly switch between standard and WYSIWYG modes
    • Thread title editing on forumdisplay via AJAX
    • Thread opening and closing on forumdisplay via AJAX
    • Super-Quick Reply on showthread via AJAX
    • Inline post edit on showthread via AJAX
    • Username suggestion for PM recipients and search by user via AJAX
    • Data manipulation APIs (Data Manager) for centralized data saving
    • Template History & Comparison for easy tracking of changes
    • Database-based thread and forum read marking
    • MySQL Full Text Search
    • Additional Datastore Storage Methods
    • SMTP Mail Wrapper
    • MySQLi Wrapper
    • PHPDoc'd Source Code
    • Moderator log language abstraction
    • Webkit support for style manager color picker
    • ImageMagick 6 Support (alternative to GD)
    • Calendar events support start/end times
    • Custom avatar and profile picture resizing
    • Profile pictures can be saved to filesystem
    • Statistics ordering
    • Each attachment image type can be individually set to generate thumbnails or not
    • Each attachment image type can be individually set to open in a new window or not
    • Moderated posts and threads do not contribute to post count until approved
    • Language chooser in footer
    • New bbcode parser now corrects invalid tag nesting to ensure valid HTML
    • New attach bbcode tag for placing attachments inline with messages
    • New noparse bbcode tag for disabling bbcode parsing within
    • Word wrap excludes contents of PHP/CODE/HTML blocks
    • Search engine spider configuration via XML file
    • New 'Can View Thread Content' permission
    • New 'Can Upload Animated GIF' permission
    • Attachment upload via URL in addition to local upload
    • New (hopefully foolproof) method for setting cookiepath/cookiedomain
    • Forum description field no longer limited to 250 characters
    • Completely rewritten Paid Subscriptions system - now known as Payment APIs. New support for 2checkout, Worldpay and Authorize.net
    • 'Always Moderate Group Posts' permission replaced with more logical 'Follow Forum Moderation Rules' permission
    • Threads containing posts awaiting moderation have indicator icon on forumdisplay for moderators
    • Right-to-left language support improved
    • Additional 'Execute SQL' auto-queries added
    • Image verification for sendmessage to avoid spam issues
    • Improved registration image verification to out-fox those pesky bots
    • Control panel navigation controlled by XML for easier addition of links
    • Upgrade system now imports styles/languages/options only after upgrade complete rather than after each script
    • Ability to preview signature edits
    • Calendar event email reminders
    • And of course, numerous bugs and annoyances resolved.
    If you have any further 'ipb' questions, please post them on the ipb web site, and feel free to ask any further questions about the vBulletin product on this web site.

    Did you try our free -real time- live admin demo yet?
    Has the online demo been upgraded to 3.5.0 yet? Some potential customers were complaining that it wasn't...

    Leave a comment:


  • Floris
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    A good reason to pick vB over other forum software is because the big web sites have found out it helps them, that we indeed are giving priority to security, that we indeed have a well balanced setup of features against performance, that we indeed provide complete features with not just an off/on switch but with a lot of additional options to tweak it for your small to enterprise web site. And that we indeed have professional staff members that are trained to help and perform within a timely matter. We don't change policy every now and then, we don't change our prices every now and then and we are listening to our customers. We have a public bug report system, a public feedback and suggestions forum and both public and private support forums/system. We also have a massive community behind vBulletin that helps at no cost and shares at no cost resources like language packs, styles, graphics, tutorials, hacks, mods, plugins, etc.

    You can go to any third party forum web site and compare their feature list which they hopefully post in public against ours, which you can find here:
    http://www.vbulletin.com/features.php and every announcement of any new version will have specific changes.

    vBulletin 2 and 3's features and options are all in 3.5, here's a rough summary of these new 3.5 features and options:
    • Product/Plugin system with over 550 'hook' locations strategically placed in the code. Allows modification and extension of vBulletin without physical alteration of the vBulletin PHP scripts.
    • Inline moderation allows multiple threads or posts to be have moderation actions performed without a visit to the admin or moderator control panels
    • Completely rewritten message editor with ability to instantly switch between standard and WYSIWYG modes
    • Thread title editing on forumdisplay via AJAX
    • Thread opening and closing on forumdisplay via AJAX
    • Super-Quick Reply on showthread via AJAX
    • Inline post edit on showthread via AJAX
    • Username suggestion for PM recipients and search by user via AJAX
    • Data manipulation APIs (Data Manager) for centralized data saving
    • Template History & Comparison for easy tracking of changes
    • Database-based thread and forum read marking
    • MySQL Full Text Search
    • Additional Datastore Storage Methods
    • SMTP Mail Wrapper
    • MySQLi Wrapper
    • PHPDoc'd Source Code
    • Moderator log language abstraction
    • Webkit support for style manager color picker
    • ImageMagick 6 Support (alternative to GD)
    • Calendar events support start/end times
    • Custom avatar and profile picture resizing
    • Profile pictures can be saved to filesystem
    • Statistics ordering
    • Each attachment image type can be individually set to generate thumbnails or not
    • Each attachment image type can be individually set to open in a new window or not
    • Moderated posts and threads do not contribute to post count until approved
    • Language chooser in footer
    • New bbcode parser now corrects invalid tag nesting to ensure valid HTML
    • New attach bbcode tag for placing attachments inline with messages
    • New noparse bbcode tag for disabling bbcode parsing within
    • Word wrap excludes contents of PHP/CODE/HTML blocks
    • Search engine spider configuration via XML file
    • New 'Can View Thread Content' permission
    • New 'Can Upload Animated GIF' permission
    • Attachment upload via URL in addition to local upload
    • New (hopefully foolproof) method for setting cookiepath/cookiedomain
    • Forum description field no longer limited to 250 characters
    • Completely rewritten Paid Subscriptions system - now known as Payment APIs. New support for 2checkout, Worldpay and Authorize.net
    • 'Always Moderate Group Posts' permission replaced with more logical 'Follow Forum Moderation Rules' permission
    • Threads containing posts awaiting moderation have indicator icon on forumdisplay for moderators
    • Right-to-left language support improved
    • Additional 'Execute SQL' auto-queries added
    • Image verification for sendmessage to avoid spam issues
    • Improved registration image verification to out-fox those pesky bots
    • Control panel navigation controlled by XML for easier addition of links
    • Upgrade system now imports styles/languages/options only after upgrade complete rather than after each script
    • Ability to preview signature edits
    • Calendar event email reminders
    • And of course, numerous bugs and annoyances resolved.
    If you have any further 'ipb' questions, please post them on the ipb web site, and feel free to ask any further questions about the vBulletin product on this web site.

    Did you try our free -real time- live admin demo yet?

    Leave a comment:

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