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  • Originally posted by Mark.B View Post
    From my perspective, I'd like to see Adrian and Fabian remain as progress is actually being made.

    Nothing will change for a while but you can bet things will change in the medium term. Hopefully Adrian and Fabian will still be in charge after that, I do think they are setting vB back on the right path and I'm actually looking forward to seeing 4.1, whereas I was dreading 4.0. That in itself has to be significant progress!
    Agree
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    • Originally posted by c0bra View Post
      I love a bad analogy. So let's take a rock band with original members who have a string of number one hits and sell out world tours. Suddenly the song writer, lead guitarist and drummer all decide they have had enough and quit the band. The lead singer wants to carry on so finds himself a bunch of new musicians to continue performing and releasing new music. Those new musicians may all know how to hold a musical instrument, write lyrics and perform in front of a audience, but it's never quite the same again. The chemistry just isn't there. The popularity of the group wanes, the new music is nowhere near as good, and their biggest fans pine for the days when the original bandmates were all together.

      I think the analogy works reasonably well. In the same way as those new musicians could play the same instruments as the old band members who quit, new coders will be found who know as much, if not more, about coding in PHP as the original Jelsoft development team. But will they ever gel together as a team as well as the original Jelsoft development team? It's very difficult.
      Apparently you're not old enough to remember the Classic rock days where some band members went on to better groups that did exceptionally well with new members. Do Eric Clapton and Jack Bruce, to name just 2, ring a bell?
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      • Originally posted by IB Adrian View Post
        No - the same staff (management and development) will be around.
        Isn't that basically the same thing that IB said when they bought out Jelsoft?
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        • Originally posted by Boofo View Post
          Isn't that basically the same thing that IB said when they bought out Jelsoft?
          I don't think they did say that.
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          • Originally posted by Steve Machol View Post
            Not me, although I now wish I had purchase some stock.
            And here I was riding your coattails waiting for the big payoff. Sheesh... Boy, is my face red.
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            • Originally posted by Mark.B View Post
              Being young doesn't have to mean lack of business experience. I work for a top blue chip company, which is a major Microsoft partner, I drive all over the UK meeting business clients at the top of many companies, large and small.
              Yes, but if you don't get the pizza there in 30 minutes, do they still have to pay for it?
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              • Originally posted by Boofo View Post
                Yes, but if you don't get the pizza there in 30 minutes, do they still have to pay for it?
                Definitely yes. Businesses here don't specify time amounts.
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                • Originally posted by Shamil. View Post
                  I don't think they did say that.
                  Think again.
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                  • Originally posted by Shamil. View Post
                    Originally posted by Boofo View Post
                    Isn't that basically the same thing that IB said when they bought out Jelsoft?
                    I don't think they did say that.
                    From here:

                    We are pleased to announce that Jelsoft Enterprises Limited has been acquired by Internet Brands [...] you will begin to see noticeable changes and improvements that are made possible by being part of a larger organisation [...] The day-to-day management of Jelsoft will continue largely unchanged. I will continue as Managing Director and CEO of Jelsoft, working alongside the executive team at Internet Brands.
                    And here

                    Jelsoft will continue to exist as a stand-alone company. All Jelsoft staff, including management, will remain the same, and the headquarters will continue to be in the UK.
                    Nuff said.

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                    • Originally posted by AlexanderT View Post
                      From here:



                      And here



                      Nuff said.
                      I expect, and my interpretation, is that this lot wouldn't occur to Jelsoft - which it didn't. However, these are happening under vBulletin Solutions.
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                      • Both statements were correct at the time.

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                        • Thank you for verifying that.
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                          • Originally posted by Paul M View Post
                            Both statements were correct at the time.
                            Yes, of course... let's just treat time as an infinitesimally small interval because that's what's really relevant to vBulletin users. What James said was meant to soothe customers' concerns about the future of vBulletin - not its status quo.

                            James said that the company and the management of Jelsoft would remain unaffected by the acquisition through IB. I maintain that this statement was false based on everything that occurred afterwards. Adrian is now repeating the same sentiment by saying that "changes to our shareholders, and the Board of Directors that represent them does not have a direct impact on vBulletin's development or policies, nor does it have a direct impact on vBulletin staffing". Why should Adrian be any more right than James?

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                            • I hope people realize that even without this acquisition change could still happen. In fact, you can make the case that change is inevitable eventually.
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                              • Originally posted by Steve Machol View Post
                                I hope people realize that even without this acquisition change could still happen. In fact, you can make the case that change is inevitable eventually.
                                Heck, you're still here
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