Confused - Where is the CMS?

[Super Cat]

2013 or 2014?

Those are my only choices?

[Deimos]

The way it is looking, I hope it isn't released before January.

2013 or 2014?

[Super Cat]

Lets hope it is not released few days before Christmas like last time lol

The way it is looking, I hope it isn't released before January.

[Sean James]

Lets hope it is not released few days before Christmas like last time lol

[beishe8]

I just hope whatever happens they don't get to a date and go enoughs enough and just say its gold because of the date and not the quality. That would be disapointing.

Disappointing or not it has to happen.
The staff need money to live on.
Money is not flowing in from renewals to pay them.
They cannot sell a Beta product to the wide public.

[Shyuan]

I just hope whatever happens they don't get to a date and go enoughs enough and just say its gold because of the date and not the quality. That would be disapointing.

Very true indeed. I would prefer quality than rushing to release the gold version

[hornstar6969]

Checked out the demo forum. I can't see how vB5 will be ready by January.

It may not be. I'm sure they are hoping so. I just hope whatever happens they don't get to a date and go enoughs enough and just say its gold because of the date and not the quality. That would be disapointing.

[worried]

Checked out the demo forum. I can't see how vB5 will be ready by January.

[cellarius]

So, basically, we seem to agree. vB5 has the basics of a cms, but it does not have an article system yet. And in order to add that, it needs more than just a content type. Whether it needs what is needed for a good article system to be released as a forum/blog-system, is subject to argumentation. One could say that it was a good forum software in the past w/o that, one could also argue that, if it has to be done anyway, it should be done now so that forum/blog etc. can profit, too. I don't pick a side in this - my intention really just was to make clear that at the present given state, just adding an article content type would not be enough to make it a cms like I would want it.

[cellarius]

What is the difference between a blog and an article other than the intended subject matter? [...] For instance, some sort of different workflow for publishing articles might be needed and IMHO, publishing workflows should be standard and definable within the system and usable for any content type (even threads and posts, moderation anyone?)...so yes, articles are just another content type.

You name it. Albeit, I do not agree that the same extent of publishing workflow is needed for a forum post or a blog. Those are personal opinion pages. Articles in most cases are not. You may want to have a editorial board not only to check articles for rule breaks, but to enhance them. You'd normally not do that for forum posts. So, I disagree that articles are just the same as posts or blogs. Even if you argue that way, my sentence is still true: This is not yet in the software, so adding an cms that's worthwile would take more than adding a content type at the moment. Even if you open up all the procedures to every content type, it still has to be coded first. As I said: I'm not defending the decision that was made. I'm just saying that this is how it is at the moment, and that at this moment it would take more than just adding a content type.

[Super Cat]

Isn't it basically building a grid system that you can add modules to? Plus put content in categories. I mean you can already have different content types.

[cellarius]

Not defending the decision, but having an article system worth the name would mean a lot more than just adding a content type.

[gfc]

It's funny, VB said the CMS will be released later on and now VB 5 is a CMS... so what's the official word molinari? VB is just going to add an article content thingy, tell us to move things around and that's it ?

If it is that easy, why not just let us test in the BETAs ?

Wayne elaborated on what I meant very well. Thanks Wayne.

I also didn't mean to say it is easy for users to add the article content type. I meant it should be relatively easy for the devs to add it, if the system was designed smartly.

Scott

If it was that easy, it would have been included, dont you think?

[sadikb]

I think it will be more than a year before we see any sort of CMS with VB5.

[Wayne Luke]

Exactly.

I don't agree with Wayne... the core component to a CMS is CONTENT. Articles = Content. The other services are social tools.

Hmmm? I stated that Article Publishing was one of the main components. How that content is laid out and presented is also core to the CMS.