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  • MikeF
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    They should establish their own single-sign on system and make other options like Facebook and Google+ optional in the settings. Social networking is now. Forums will go under without taking it into account. Let there be no doubt about this. Let you disable all of the social networking features you want, all of the CMS activity you want, and all of the blogging you want. But social networking resulted in the largest IPO in history, the largest Internet audience in history, and it will eradicate bulletin board systems if they don't evolve. I disagree on all levels.

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  • manebe
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    I am reading that you are now thinking about keep-on with vB 4,
    let me say it seems to me a good idea.

    Please, have a look on this thread and consider the idea to target 2 differents segments:

    vBulletin 4: a robust discussion board (content and discussion community).

    vBulletin Connect: facebooky thing (social networking).



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  • manebe
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    So many good points there:

    Originally posted by rudedog1968 View Post
    vB has lost it's way and the only thing they can think about is to move their business to social media in the way facebook does things. This in itself will shoot themselves in the foot. They should be expanding their forum software instead of trying to integrate into a COMPETING medium.

    Originally posted by rmwebs View Post
    A forum is a community specific to one topic, and is not restricted by some large company. If you were to start a forum via facebook it would be junk - no real threaded discussions, no emotional interaction, no smilies, etc. People go on facebook to post a quick update - not to have an in-depth discussion.

    Forums will ALWAYS be around in their current form as there quite simply is zero comparison between a forum and a social network.

    Originally posted by iyama View Post
    Facebook is not my thing, even for my forum users.
    Buth vb is pussing that thing hard to in vb5!
    So vb is not a forum software any more, buth a plugin for facebook.
    https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/show...team-know-that

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  • Wayne Luke
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    I don't know what you mean by architecture. The individual pages can be edited by you. Drag and Drop, remove modules, add modules, change whether the sidebar is left or right or gone...

    Template control how the different content looks though. By changes, I meant style developers, addon programmers, etc... Though based on feedback, the defaults could be changed to. That is why you need to get your ideas into JIRA.

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  • manebe
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    Originally posted by Wayne Luke View Post
    These are really just templates. Should be able to change things...
    Maybe not just templates, the whole site architecture..

    When are this changes to vB5 scheduled for ?

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  • Wayne Luke
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    Originally posted by manebe View Post
    If everything is similar, how do I explain to my board users the difference between a forum post, a blog entry, a photo entry, or a group discussion entry?
    These are really just templates. Should be able to change things...

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  • manebe
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    Thanks for the detailed answer.

    I understand, just let me say all seems to be confusing.

    Too similar to Facebook, everything integrated but nothing clearly separated.

    Back to the topic:

    We were waiting for a cleaner and faster evolution of vB4:

    CMS + Blogs + Forums + Groups + Albums: different modules, different functions, different design.

    If everything is similar, how do I explain to my board users the difference between a forum post, a blog entry, a photo entry, or a group discussion entry?

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  • Wayne Luke
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    To view your albums as Albums, you go to the Media tab on your profile. The pictures uploaded are stored in the Albums Channel which is a sub-channel of Special. Special also holds private messages, etc...

    What you have drilled down to is the equivalent of a Photo Topic where people can comment etc... If you look at the Photo tab on the channel it gives a more traditional album view.. Since Albums is a channel you can customize the modules to show the photos automatically instead of the actvity stream or topic views.

    The pictures are in the Album channel because everything goes into a channel somewhere. Blogs are channels, Social Groups are channels, Forums are Channels, Albums are channels. As a special channel, it is normally hidden though. Though I think the Album Channel has a lot of potential personally.

    No, it doesn't work the same way as vBulletin 4. It wasn't intended to. It was moved to a new framework that will enable growth and new functionality like True Galleries to be possibly added in the future. Not something that was easily possible in vBulletin 4 without duplicating tons of code. You can approximate some Gallery functionality with the modules and permissions now though. That is the first picture above... Doesn't replace Photopost but will suit most customer's needs.

    Anything you feel you need, you should log as an improvement request.

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  • manebe
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    Originally posted by Wayne Luke View Post
    What I've shown in my screenshots are albums.
    Wayne, your screenshots show single user albums (i.e. personal albums), not ALL users album.
    Where do I find out a page with all user albums being called?

    Originally posted by Wayne Luke View Post
    No... what you're showing are photo topics.
    Photo topics?

    I did not create any topic, just upload pics on my media profile!
    Those album topics are being created automatically!

    Look at the URL vbulletin.com/vb5demo/special/albums/2317-album and have a look to the breadcrumb: Home / Special / Albums

    What are photo topics for?
    Why are they called Albums?
    Why are they created automatically?

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  • Wayne Luke
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    No... what you're showing are photo topics. What I've shown in my screenshots are albums.

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  • manebe
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    First of all, thanks for your answer Wayne.

    Do not want to sound disrespectful, just please do not make misinformation, and do not mix up a discussion board photo gallery with a “facebooky” media photo.
    You also know, better than me, that single user profile photos is not a all user board gallery.

    Just let me sum up what a discussion board gallery (not a facebook media photo) is meant to be:

    A decent main gallery page, e.g. IPB Gallery module or DragonByte Gallery plugin or recent vB Gallery (by scandals) plugin.
    Does vB5 include this?

    A single pic URL where user are allowed to comment, as vB4 has.
    Does vB5 include this?
    Why would I loose this function from vB4?

    A system to categorize photos (pics categories).
    Does vB5 include this?

    A rating system in order user to rate pics.
    Does vB5 include this?


    What about albums?

    Would a user understand that creating a album in his profile also create a new Topic in “Special/Album” ?
    Are album being categorized?

    Does someone really think is worth paying 200 euros for that kind of confused media photos and confusing album page?
    Not to talk about blogs..

    Is this a serious album?
    http://www.vbulletin.com/vb5demo/spe...ums/2317-album

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  • zascok
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    Originally posted by Wayne Luke View Post
    For those who want simple forums, you can disable blogs and other content types with permissions even in vBulletin 5.
    Why exactly one would pay for full pack to disable , everything else but forum. Suits sales bit the forum sales -tru.
    How many satisfied customers? I personally don't know anyone who is happy with CMS.

    Not to mention the marketing step that buying SUIT would provide you life-long support while forum only is 30 days

    And now instead of bringing that creature to live as promised, IB has created another monster that they hope would bring even more money.

    vB4 was a raw product up until recently for 3 years all the customers were working for IB as beta-testers, JiRA is flooding with unsolved issues.

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    But who cares right? The money for 4 have been paid already in return customers get promises only.

    And hey lets make more money. Lets unleash the 5 version, with even more redundancy, more unsolved issues. We already have a good name, so doesn't matter what we would sell. There is sucker born every day.

    Good luck with that. Just between me and you Wayne. Yesterday the message that vB is dead (Amen) has been announced on one of the biggest vBulletin Russian speaking community. (Funny thing they have a section of nonVb forums support. Guess what? vB5 have been placed in that section.)

    Not ones not twise it's was repeated over and over by different users from different countries most of them have beeeeeeeeeen with vB ever since it start to be possible to pay for the soft from Eastern Europe. But well before that they were using vB buying licenses through relatives or friends in West or just using Nulleds.
    Last edited by zascok; Sat 15th Sep '12, 2:59am.

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  • rootsxrocks
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    Originally posted by Wayne Luke View Post
    Do you want a Photo Forum that can act as a gallery?

    [ATTACH=CONFIG]62094[/ATTACH]

    Or do you want personal albums on a user's profile like vBulletin 4?

    [ATTACH=CONFIG]62095[/ATTACH]
    Nice try but it needs a hot or not rating system built in people wont be inspired to upload photos if they can't get feedback

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  • Wayne Luke
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    Originally posted by manebe View Post
    Not only vB 5 Connect does not seem to me a discussion board, but also everything on vB5 is forum-like. There is no difference between a post entry and a blog entry, where are the albums?, why should I use blogs if they are similar to forum? What about group discussion topics, the same as forum?
    Do you want a Photo Forum that can act as a gallery?

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    Or do you want personal albums on a user's profile like vBulletin 4?

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  • Wayne Luke
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    Originally posted by AlexanderT View Post
    A few days ago Wayne stated that most of IB's customers don't use forums. I was baffled as you can imagine. Now I see that this might actually be true...
    Not exactly what I said. I said they aren't building forums but instead building websites. Forums are just a part of a website. In the 3.6 days, a site would be just a forum and nothing else. That started changing in 3.7 and onward. Customers want custom pages and different content types for their sites instead of simple discussion forums. One reason why the Publishing Suite outsold the classic forums.

    For those who want simple forums, you can disable blogs and other content types with permissions even in vBulletin 5.

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