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  • Digital Jedi
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    You can ignore them, but most of the time an update is going to include security fixes, and equally important, bug fixes. And that's not reserved to just patch level updates. Staying up to date usually gives you the best chance at stability, and isn't always about new features. (Of course, there are always exceptions and extenuating circumstances, but you get the idea. Kinda like wearing a seat belt. You know the odds of impacting the windshield are greater than the odds that you'll need to jump out of the vehicle during an abrupt alien attack.)

    When I say ignore, I mean ignore the notices you'll get after you upgrade about outdated templates. When you log back into your Admin CP, you'll be told that several, maybe a even a lot, of your templates need reverting. It does this because vBulletin doesn't necessarily know if the customization you've made to your old style will have an affect on functionality of this new version your on. It doesn't know what changes you've made, it just knows that what you've got is different from default. So it warns you just in case. Reverting will regress each customized template back to the default style. What I'm saying is, you don't have to address these immediately. You can go through each template one at a time, make comparisons to the default style and the custom style, and see if anything major was removed in your custom style, if a phrase was changed between versions, if all that's different is you have a few extra lines of code for style, etc, etc. If anything big time was changed on the forum, you'll probably notice right away and be able to address it first. It's a bit of a hassle, but a large part of why a lot of vB owners only maintain one or two custom styles.

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  • AndyAitch
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    Originally posted by Digital Jedi View Post
    Always a good idea to do a backup yourself, even if the learning curve is just a bit daunting at first. Once you read up on it, do it a couple of times, it's relatively simple. As far as patches go, the only time you "only patch", meaning just replacing files, is if your on the same version. (4.2.0. PL1 to 4.2.0 PL3) In your case, you were going up to a different version (4.1 to 4.2), so you'd always do the full upgrade.

    When you do upgrade, you'll be asked to revert outdated templates. These are likely your customized templates. You can leave them alone for a little while, and gradually check each one to see if you'll loose any customization reverting, and maybe even figure out how to apply the customization to the updated template. I'm not entirely sure how the CSS is handled in vB4 just yet, but I suspect you can do something similar.
    Thanks Digital Jedi, that's took the sting out of my confusion - I think

    So anything i see in Admin cP then that refers to 'versions' i can simply ignore right? With the only thing i need to concern myself with is Security Patches. Have i got that right?

    I understand that new versions offer enhancements to forums, but to be honest, my forum does everything I need it for so security is really my only concern at this moment in time. I hope i understand that correctly. I'm still going to read and reread the tutorials your linked to, and also get to grips with backing up the forum database.

    Thanks as always Digital Jedi, much appreciated.

    Andy

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  • Digital Jedi
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    Always a good idea to do a backup yourself, even if the learning curve is just a bit daunting at first. Once you read up on it, do it a couple of times, it's relatively simple. As far as patches go, the only time you "only patch", meaning just replacing files, is if your on the same version. (4.2.0. PL1 to 4.2.0 PL3) In your case, you were going up to a different version (4.1 to 4.2), so you'd always do the full upgrade.

    When you do upgrade, you'll be asked to revert outdated templates. These are likely your customized templates. You can leave them alone for a little while, and gradually check each one to see if you'll loose any customization reverting, and maybe even figure out how to apply the customization to the updated template. I'm not entirely sure how the CSS is handled in vB4 just yet, but I suspect you can do something similar.

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  • AndyAitch
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    Originally posted by Digital Jedi View Post
    Well, I would say the manual would probably be the best place to start. You uploaded the files, but you never ran the upgrade script. And you possibly have installe files still on your server that you shouldn't. (Which you would have been prompted to delete after running the upgrade script.) Presuming you did your own installation, you'll recall that uploading files was only one step in the process.
    Hi Digital Jedi, thanks for your reply.

    And thanks also for the link, I'll be going there and having a good read I get confused with upgrade and patches. With the example above, I'm assuming that it was some kind of patch where new files simply overwrite old? And the thing about upgrade is that I had my forum custom built, and the guy that did this kind of advised me not to upgrade (only patch), because an upgrade could undo, or disrupt, the customised theme, which is the last thing i want after spending good money getting it o look the way it does.

    Anyway, I'll start by reading the Upgrading vBulletin guide, and i think I should learn how to back up the database too. I have this done automatically with the WordPress part of the site, but have never backed up the forum. I know hosting companies backup entire sites up periodically, bit perhaps it's not a good idea to leave such things to chance

    Thanks once again Digital Jedi, appreciate you taking the time to respond here.

    Andy

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  • Digital Jedi
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    Well, I would say the manual would probably be the best place to start. You uploaded the files, but you never ran the upgrade script. And you possibly have install files still on your server that you shouldn't. (Which you would have been prompted to delete after running the upgrade script.) Presuming you did your own installation, you'll recall that uploading files was only one step in the process.

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  • AndyAitch
    started a topic [Forum] Is It Just Me?

    Is It Just Me?

    Hi Folks.

    I wonder if someone can point me to a "really simple" educational on maintaining vBulletin forums. I've been designing and building my own websites for years now, but there's just something about my one and only forum that seems to confuse the socks off me

    I'm always getting emails about having to update this, or patch up that, upgrade something else, but because there are so many different versions and functions out there, I just seem to get puzzled by it all. Here's my latest dilemma.

    When logging into my Admin cP, I see this message:

    Latest version available: 4.2.0 Patch Level 3. You are currently running vBulletin version 4.1.12 Patch Level 3.
    Click here to download vBulletin 4.2.0 Patch Level 3 from the Members' Area

    Well that all seems quite straight forward. It looks as though they're telling me that I'm not running the latest version and I need to download certain files and overwrite existing ones. At least that's how I read it?

    So I do that and the next thing I know is that I'm unable to start a new thread. I can add a post to an existing thread, and I can delete posts or modify existing ones, but when trying to add a new post I get the following error:

    Database error in vBulletin 4.1.12:

    Invalid SQL:
    INSERT INTO thread
    (prefixid, postusername, postuserid, title, iconid, visible, forumid, dateline, open, attach, lastpost, lastposter, lastposterid, replycount, postercount, hiddencount, deletedcount, keywords)
    VALUES
    ('', '50ish', 1, 'this is an update test', 0, 1, 3, 1360250537, 1, 0, 1360250537, '50ish', 1, 0, 1, 0, 0, 'update, ignore, vbulletin');

    MySQL Error : Unknown column 'postercount' in 'field list'
    Error Number : 1054
    Request Date : Thursday, February 7th 2013 @ 09:22:17 AM
    Error Date : Thursday, February 7th 2013 @ 09:22:17 AM
    Script : http://www.50ish.org/forum/newthread...postthread&f=3
    Referrer : http://www.50ish.org/forum/newthread...=newthread&f=3
    IP Address : 110.49.233.23
    Username : 50ish
    Classname : vB_Database
    MySQL Version : 5.1.65-cll
    Good job I backed up my files before overwriting with the new ones, which means I'm back to where I started.

    Another time (can't quite remember when it was), I updated with a new security patch and since that day I've not been able to access Admon cP without deliting the .htacess file first. I then replace this file once I've finished in Admin cP. After employing 2 professionals, neither of who could resolve the issue, I've since given up on that, especially as I can get in using the above trick, although it does disrupt the site for the few minutes that the .htacess is missing from the server.

    So there we have it. I dread these emails telling my I need to update with a new patch because I never know what's going to happen. Usually it's fine, but as you can see, sometimes it's not.

    I'm probably confusing things myself and am the cause of the problems, but I just don't know, and there lays the problem.

    So if anyone can point me to a tutorial that explains these things (as if written for a 5 year old), please share the link so that I can get on enjoying the forum and not dreading its maintenance

    Thanks in advance

    Andy

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