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  • #46
    Originally posted by BoxerPrimer View Post
    I signed up at Hostgator mainly after reading this thread. After two months of use I am now planing on leaving them for something better.

    Hostgator isn't a bad host, it's decent infact and the customer service is pretty good as well. Live support is always there and they do try to help to the best of their ability. But the fact remains that they have limits of their servers i.e max 250 connections. With my forum of about 4000 users and average 100 users online that means downtime at least once or more commonly twice a day for a few minutes.

    In normal usage their speed is quite slow, at first I thought it was just me but then I carried out a poll at my forum and found that 75 % of the poll respondents thought it slow. 15 % thought it average and 10 % thought it fast.

    I am now looking at Vbulletin specialist hosts like urljet.com and globalgold.co.uk Let see how they turn out.
    urljet.com to price check eurovps.com 4gb guranted ram for 49
    MobilePhoneTalk.Com - Mobile Phone Community Powered By EuroVPS.Com

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    • #47
      Originally posted by ryan1918 View Post
      I am going to start getting into selling vps's, starting in the next month or two, and for what they sell for $70, I would sell for $30-40, about 50% difference on what they are selling it for, Hell I even got some Dedicated servers for the prices of $80 which will beat a vps all day.

      In the end it depends what someone wants, If you like them, stick with them, but if your site is too big, or uses too many resources, they will not like you, unless your loading there bank accounts with a lot of cash.

      Just because they are one of the biggest shared hosting companies doesn't mean they are the best, that's for sure.
      lol $80 for dedicated now that must be crap btw any host will not like you if your site uses many resources not just hostgator...

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      • #48
        Originally posted by DelphiVillage View Post
        lol $80 for dedicated now that must be crap btw any host will not like you if your site uses many resources not just hostgator...
        I sell $99 quad-cores, and I've few dual-cores in stock. They sell for under $80. FYI, they're not crap servers.... do you really need a quad-core with 8GB RAM to store backups on? Nope.

        However, if you want a celeron, I have 1 in.

        Though, if you want a dedicated for $700+ per month, I can serve them as well.
        Shamil Nunhuck, - Radon Systems Ltd.
        VPS + Dedicated Server Hosting and Management
        vBulletin Hosting and Services
        Server / Website Consultation

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Shamil. View Post
          I sell $99 quad-cores, and I've few dual-cores in stock. They sell for under $80. FYI, they're not crap servers.... do you really need a quad-core with 8GB RAM to store backups on? Nope.

          However, if you want a celeron, I have 1 in.

          Though, if you want a dedicated for $700+ per month, I can serve them as well.

          8gb ram just to store backups no ... so there's your secret you sell at $99 but you deliver a crappy processor (celeron) that might work with unknowledgble users but not with me

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          • #50
            Originally posted by DelphiVillage View Post
            8gb ram just to store backups no ... so there's your secret you sell at $99 but you deliver a crappy processor (celeron) that might work with unknowledgble users but not with me
            That one celeron is $40. I said quad-cores are delivered at $99... You can even do a benchmark if you really want to, to test that it's not a quadcore. Though you'll have to wait about 3 days for the build to complete: I've ordered some more servers because someone ate the inventory in one go.
            Shamil Nunhuck, - Radon Systems Ltd.
            VPS + Dedicated Server Hosting and Management
            vBulletin Hosting and Services
            Server / Website Consultation

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            • #51
              Originally posted by BoxerPrimer View Post
              I signed up at Hostgator mainly after reading this thread. After two months of use I am now planing on leaving them for something better.

              Hostgator isn't a bad host, it's decent infact and the customer service is pretty good as well. Live support is always there and they do try to help to the best of their ability. But the fact remains that they have limits of their servers i.e max 250 connections. With my forum of about 4000 users and average 100 users online that means downtime at least once or more commonly twice a day for a few minutes.

              In normal usage their speed is quite slow, at first I thought it was just me but then I carried out a poll at my forum and found that 75 % of the poll respondents thought it slow. 15 % thought it average and 10 % thought it fast.
              Truth (using HG for 3 years now).

              Also, sometimes you will get constant error 500 (internal server error usually due to unavailable resources) even if your site is not under any load. Contact their support, they will blame your scripts even though your scripts (vb) were running perfectly fine (and you didn't change anything) and will run perfectly when this "blackout" period is over (usually an hour or so). I have faced this situation 3 times till now and they failed to identify the root cause of this every time. They say "your script is to blame" but can't point which php file is causing this.

              There are a few good things about HG too. They actually allow a lot more freedom than most other shared hosting.

              Anyways, if your vb site is just starting or is quite small, HG shared is great. But once it start to grow, the max mysql connection limit (not the cpu limit) will start to hurt you and your site.


              edit 1: btw, their vps is over priced and shared is a bit over priced too. but i heard they have hardware ddos protection for all servers (even shared). So I guess that might justify the cost.

              edit 2: I think I should mention this also. vB 4.0.7+ has a bug with certain php version (5.2.14 iirc) which will prevent you using datastore cache properly. Unfortunately, HG shared is using 5.2.14 and datastore is the only caching available in shared.
              Last edited by Riasat; Fri 31st Dec '10, 11:15pm.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by CvP View Post
                Truth (using HG for 3 years now).

                Also, sometimes you will get constant error 500 (internal server error usually due to unavailable resources) even if your site is not under any load. Contact their support, they will blame your scripts even though your scripts (vb) were running perfectly fine (and you didn't change anything) and will run perfectly when this "blackout" period is over (usually an hour or so). I have faced this situation 3 times till now and they failed to identify the root cause of this every time. They say "your script is to blame" but can't point which php file is causing this.

                There are a few good things about HG too. They actually allow a lot more freedom than most other shared hosting.

                Anyways, if your vb site is just starting or is quite small, HG shared is great. But once it start to grow, the max mysql connection limit (not the cpu limit) will start to hurt you and your site.


                edit 1: btw, their vps is over priced and shared is a bit over priced too. but i heard they have hardware ddos protection for all servers (even shared). So I guess that might justify the cost.

                edit 2: I think I should mention this also. vB 4.0.7+ has a bug with certain php version (5.2.14 iirc) which will prevent you using datastore cache properly. Unfortunately, HG shared is using 5.2.14 and datastore is the only caching available in shared.
                i don't love them at all like justhost. when i start my site arround 1000 visit per day they shout down my account saying that i am using big resurce. so i delete vbseo they start my account again same visitor shout down me again so i moved to eurovps shared account which cost me 8 euro permonth. claim my advance payment to them like 100usd they never refund it. biggest truth or my luck eurovps shout me down for over resurce using when i am 16000 visitor perday. after that i moved to eurovps vps package. thats why i suggest everyone to use eurovps.com...
                MobilePhoneTalk.Com - Mobile Phone Community Powered By EuroVPS.Com

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                • #53
                  Yeah most hosts will just shut you down no matter, unless they don't oversell/overload, like my servers, I don't even come close to putting 30% of my resources so all my users can use whatever they want unless it becomes a problem which has never happen before.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by rajubd View Post
                    i don't love them at all like justhost. when i start my site arround 1000 visit per day they shout down my account saying that i am using big resurce. so i delete vbseo they start my account again same visitor shout down me again so i moved to eurovps shared account which cost me 8 euro permonth. claim my advance payment to them like 100usd they never refund it. biggest truth or my luck eurovps shout me down for over resurce using when i am 16000 visitor perday. after that i moved to eurovps vps package. thats why i suggest everyone to use eurovps.com...
                    I have been trying to check out your forum/site all day but it look like it's down/offline, look at this error.

                    The server at www.symbiantalk.net is taking too long to respond.

                    Looks like they shut you down, sucks when you talk so gladly about a host they don't seem to keep there end of the bargain It's life though.

                    No downtime is ever good time! Not a good way to start out the new year.. Seems like your site was busy and they shut your server off or suspended you.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by ryan1918 View Post
                      I have been trying to check out your forum/site all day but it look like it's down/offline, look at this error.
                      The server at www.symbiantalk.net is taking too long to respond.
                      Looks like they shut you down, sucks when you talk so gladly about a host they don't seem to keep there end of the bargain It's life though.
                      No downtime is ever good time! Not a good way to start out the new year.. Seems like your site was busy and they shut your server off or suspended you.
                      my site slow in pick hours now soon it will be fixed
                      MobilePhoneTalk.Com - Mobile Phone Community Powered By EuroVPS.Com

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                      • #56
                        Haven't read the whole thread so can't respond to compare my experience with others ...

                        HostGator has worked out very well for me with a forum on an account that includes HG management of the server. My account doesn't use most of the available server space and I'm not a technical server management expert, so this is the right level for me. My forum has over 1.5 million posts, but only about 1,100 active members. I don't need to pay double the rate for more unused storage space and less support.

                        Support has been excellent for about the last year or two. Timely and knowledgeable responses, and a lot more continuity from shift to shift. By that I mean that if a new shift takes over your ticket, they pay attention to what has already been done.

                        HG made some significant forum-friendly improvements a couple of years ago to allow the forum database to function as it needs to. I am now able to use the space I am paying for.

                        I don't have experience with any other level of account, for instance the large accounts managed by the customer themselves. For my level of account I can recommend HG.

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                        • #57
                          It seems like every time I help trouble an unexplained server problem for someone, they are always using Hostgator....

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by ryan1918 View Post
                            Yeah most hosts will just shut you down no matter, unless they don't oversell/overload, like my servers, I don't even come close to putting 30% of my resources so all my users can use whatever they want unless it becomes a problem which has never happen before.
                            look what i found http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/ryan1918.com/msgpage any comments...

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by DelphiVillage View Post
                              What exactly did you find? You found nothing? You should learn something, my personal site is a forum, how in the world is a forum going to have malware, my site discusses security/malware, some people think it other ways, but they just don't understand it. My site has been mentioned all over the internet in the biggest sites in the world, in books, pdfs, etc.

                              Here is lots of things on my site, since you want to know more about it.

                              http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09...rder_takedown/

                              http://www.securityfocus.com/news/11311

                              http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...=&pagewanted=2

                              http://www.hackinthebox.org/modules....icle&sid=18039

                              http://garwarner.blogspot.com/2008/0...safer-now.html

                              http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/230111.pdf

                              http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:...&ct=clnk&gl=us

                              http://smartech.gatech.edu/bitstream...200905_phd.pdf

                              http://media.frnog.org/FRnOG_10/FRnOG_10-1.pdf

                              http://research.rmutp.ac.th/research...20internet.pdf

                              http://hphosts.blogspot.com/2010/04/...-of-their.html

                              http://nerdist.net/?cat=10

                              http://www.viruslist.com/sp/hackers/...ubid=207270956

                              Mentioned in actual books.

                              BOOK #1

                              EBOOK OF IT - http://books.google.com/books?id=nmg...20bots&f=false

                              WHERE YOU CAN BUY IT - http://www.amazon.com/Malicious-Bots...2334225&sr=8-1

                              BOOK #2

                              http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Secu...2353127&sr=1-1

                              EBOOK OF IT - http://books.google.com/books?id=uTE...918%22&f=false

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by BirdOPrey5 View Post
                                It seems like every time I help trouble an unexplained server problem for someone, they are always using Hostgator....
                                I agree too, but, HG is a huge company, they are building or built there own datacenter, no doubt they are the biggest shared hosting company in the world, they are one of the top provider in the world, I think they have over tens of thousands of servers..

                                Here's a nice map of who has what, needs updating but it's somewhat showing what people have.

                                http://www.intac.net/a-comparison-of...ny_2010-04-13/

                                Can you now combine Softlayer + ThePlanet as they are now one company.

                                I think OVH has hit about 80,000 servers now too.

                                No doubt google has the most servers on the planet, by far.

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