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  • brvheart
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    Originally posted by icarusforde View Post
    Looks like your host has stuffed something up on his end - i'm running quick reply, no detrimental effects for me. This site runs it, and it's probably quite a bit bigger than yours... Well, especially as you say 22 members. :P

    Time to find a new host. If you're still look for reccomendations, then have a look at MediaTemple - www.mediatemple.net - i've never had any problems with them. $20 a month on their grid - perfect.
    I am still looking thank you for the info and reply

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  • brvheart
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    Originally posted by syrus.xl View Post
    vBulletin 4.0 may seem slower than the 3 series, but it really depends on how your server is setup and configured for vBulletin. I am running a test 'clone' of vBulletin 4.0 and to me its just as fast as the 3 series, however I don't have the normal standard server setup.

    For a start I use APC Cache and Memcache, which can both be used if vBulletin is configured correctly. I do not use Apache server, instead that is replaced by LiteSpeed - Basically, if I click on any link in vb4 the page is rendered instantly.

    I used to be with www.LiquidWeb.com on a VPS package, but another client required PCI compliancy which meant I had to have my VPS Control Panel disabled. While I was on their servers I used Memcache on vBulletin, because you will find it will give you better speed on your forums. After having issues with that host, I went looking for a new host, and found one that many people had been using for quite awhile.

    Now I use www.Urljet.com - totally different hosting... very quick response time to support tickets, and all servers are optimized for vBulletin, LiteSpeed and R1 File Guardian comes as standard on all packages. Depending on your package requirements, you can have additional accelerators installed. Moving to this host was the best move I have ever done. You will see an increase in speed as soon as your vbulletin is hosted by this company.

    Just my experience of what used to be slow servers and now ultra fast!
    URLjet would be the way to go if my forum was bigger - that is for sure. But I dont want to over extend when I dont know that I will be able to rebuild what I have to be successful. Any ideas on growing it would be appreciated as well - it was growing like a fire with gasoline until the site crashed multiple times early on due to things already mentioned.

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  • icarusforde
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    Looks like your host has stuffed something up on his end - i'm running quick reply, no detrimental effects for me. This site runs it, and it's probably quite a bit bigger than yours... Well, especially as you say 22 members. :P

    Time to find a new host. If you're still look for reccomendations, then have a look at MediaTemple - www.mediatemple.net - i've never had any problems with them. $20 a month on their grid - perfect.

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  • brvheart
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    Originally posted by Reeve of Shinra View Post
    You may want to try disabling plugins and products for a day or so to see if that resolves the issue.
    You may also want to disable quick reply for a day or two as well since your host believes that is the cause of the issue.

    -- Are you running that mods that would impact quick reply or replies in general like these?

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    I am running the top two as well as quick editor enhancements - completely shut those off as well as others (chat box etc) to see if that helped - but they did not. And they were running when the board was running good - so I know that they can be running and not have a negative affect on anything.

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  • Reeve of Shinra
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    You may want to try disabling plugins and products for a day or so to see if that resolves the issue.
    You may also want to disable quick reply for a day or two as well since your host believes that is the cause of the issue.

    -- Are you running that mods that would impact quick reply or replies in general like these?

    [Ajax] Check for similar thread before posting a new one
    Doublepost Prevention
    Live Topic

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  • brvheart
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    which plan would you say would fit vbulletin without getting a "you are using to much resources" note during the month? I am looking at the 7.95 plan right now with them - and possibly the 12.95 per month plan.

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  • Loco.M
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    Originally posted by Zachery View Post
    Find a new webhost, he clearly has no clue what he is talking about.
    I agree, it doesn't sound like your host knows what they are doing

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  • brvheart
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    and the answer -

    If you move this to a host your going to need to get a dedicated host for about 50 to 100 a month for what your wanting and what you have with me. I do not know why all the sudden vb is doing this to you but I do see it is that quick reply doing it, Yes I am 100% sure of this. You asked for my help but when I tell you what I do see for %100 you don't want to believe me. When the quick reply is on it does a copy temp table to the db and can hang for up to I have seen 12 seconds.
    If you get a client side sql app, like navicat on your mac, Then log into your db and set your refresh to 0 or 1 second
    you can watch this happen in real time. I am not making this up, Watch it for yourself, Then once you see what I am seeing,
    go turn that quick reply off and watch it stop. I fully tested this out from three locations now, It does the same no matter were I go. Please go look for yourself.

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  • brvheart
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    so I wrote a long winded email that said this in a nut shell -

    vbulletin says find a new host, other knowledgeable admins/owners that run vb say find a new host -

    You say the problem will be present if I move the board elsewhere - you refund my money, I will move the board - IF it comes back, I will move back, pay you and eat some crow, IF it DOES NOT come back - you pay my hosting for the next 5 years....

    I appreciate all the feedback and advice here that you guys have provided - stay tuned for the reply

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  • alemcherry
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    What the host says is silly excuses, like google adsense slowing the site(it runs on client side!) , myisam tables! and they not being able to reproduce the problem. I guess you need to find a better host.

    Personaly I would recommend Hostgator. They are one of the best in that price range. Obviously not everybody will agree with it, but just like the majority of users, I found them quite reliable.

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  • Been Told
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    Originally posted by brvheart View Post
    Do you recommend blue host? I have seen debate on this forum go both ways.
    I had an account there. Running just one vBulletin. No heavy addons.
    It kept saying that my account was exceeding its CPU quota. When I asked support, they said that the PHP scripts I was running were poorly written and must be optimized. When I asked them how they suggest optimizing vBulletin, they didn't even answer that.
    From then on, Bluehost has stopped being a host I would ever consider.
    Also their customer forum forbids any discussion of negative experiences or aspects of Bluehost. Or at least that's how it was when I was there. The best thing was that the owner kept claiming the forum was owned by a customer, not bluehost.
    They also have another host. And that host had a customer forum too. And guess what - supposedly it was also run by a "customer" who also forbade any criticism of that host. lol

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  • syrus.xl
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    vBulletin 4.0 may seem slower than the 3 series, but it really depends on how your server is setup and configured for vBulletin. I am running a test 'clone' of vBulletin 4.0 and to me its just as fast as the 3 series, however I don't have the normal standard server setup.

    For a start I use APC Cache and Memcache, which can both be used if vBulletin is configured correctly. I do not use Apache server, instead that is replaced by LiteSpeed - Basically, if I click on any link in vb4 the page is rendered instantly.

    I used to be with www.LiquidWeb.com on a VPS package, but another client required PCI compliancy which meant I had to have my VPS Control Panel disabled. While I was on their servers I used Memcache on vBulletin, because you will find it will give you better speed on your forums. After having issues with that host, I went looking for a new host, and found one that many people had been using for quite awhile.

    Now I use www.Urljet.com - totally different hosting... very quick response time to support tickets, and all servers are optimized for vBulletin, LiteSpeed and R1 File Guardian comes as standard on all packages. Depending on your package requirements, you can have additional accelerators installed. Moving to this host was the best move I have ever done. You will see an increase in speed as soon as your vbulletin is hosted by this company.

    Just my experience of what used to be slow servers and now ultra fast!

    Leave a comment:


  • RadioErewan
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    Not much of traffic might slow down vB. Crons are triggered by pageviews. And some of them are really slow. I am facing it on our test environment, where 3-5 ppl are allowed to entrer. It is waaaay slower than production.

    Regards

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  • brvheart
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    Originally posted by Itworx4me View Post
    I would go with:

    http://www.inmotionhosting.com

    Reasonable prices for both shared and dedicated. I have both kind of accounts there and vbulletin runs good on both systems.

    Thanks,
    Itworx4me
    Thank you - I am checking them out right now. I would be doing the shared server, my site is not big enough to do dedicated yet. Maybe with proper hosting it can be. I also like that they have backups - looks like nightly to boot!

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  • Itworx4me
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    Originally posted by brvheart View Post
    that was what I was afraid of, he claims that since it is the last thing that he sees loading on the page it had to be it......

    Do you recommend blue host? I have seen debate on this forum go both ways.
    I would go with:

    http://www.inmotionhosting.com

    Reasonable prices for both shared and dedicated. I have both kind of accounts there and vbulletin runs good on both systems.

    Thanks,
    Itworx4me

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