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    Wayne Luke
    vBulletin Technical Support Lead

  • Wayne Luke
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    Originally posted by dartmoore
    If the license is checked. Is there not some sort of "license server" validating these licenses? If so, can some sort of stats page be put together to provide a fairly accurate count?

    just curious
    dart
    To add to what Kier said, it is not our policy to disclose how many customers or licenses we have sold and since this is a private company, there isn't any obligation to do so.

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  • Kier
    Former Lead Developer, vBulletin

  • Kier
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    Originally posted by dartmoore
    If the license is checked. Is there not some sort of "license server" validating these licenses? If so, can some sort of stats page be put together to provide a fairly accurate count?

    just curious
    dart
    Don't forget that a large number of the vBulletin installs out there are illegal and have been 'cracked' to remove any kind of license checking call-back, so we don't have any solid figures on the number of illegal boards out there.

    Except to say that it's a large number.

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  • dartmoore
    New Member

  • dartmoore
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    Originally posted by Wayne Luke
    No, it is the number of pages in Google that have the phrase "Powered by: vBulletin Version" on them. I looked and there is no way to limit the search so that each unique site shows up only once as far as I can tell reading their help documentation.

    And yes, we can look up the number of licenses but I still can't tell you.
    If the license is checked. Is there not some sort of "license server" validating these licenses? If so, can some sort of stats page be put together to provide a fairly accurate count?

    just curious
    dart

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  • Wayne Luke
    vBulletin Technical Support Lead

  • Wayne Luke
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    Originally posted by Silver_2000
    Quick google for "Powered by: vBulletin Version " has 2,400,000 hits....

    Wow .. That CANT be the # of licensed copies ...Can it ? If so my number and justification way completely baseless...
    No, it is the number of pages in Google that have the phrase "Powered by: vBulletin Version" on them. I looked and there is no way to limit the search so that each unique site shows up only once as far as I can tell reading their help documentation.

    And yes, we can look up the number of licenses but I still can't tell you.

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  • Silver_2000
    Senior Member

  • Silver_2000
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    Well you guys would know ..

    BUT I was basing the guess on the rating my little forum has on Alexa.. I am like the 500,000 site in alexa... My forum is pretty small and barely justifies the cost of licsensed forum software.....

    Using site of my size as a benchmark for justification of the $$ I was trying to guage the size of the market.... I guess I was way off....

    Quick google for "Powered by: vBulletin Version " has 2,400,000 hits....

    Wow .. That CANT be the # of licensed copies ...Can it ? If so my number and justification way completely baseless...

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  • Wayne Luke
    vBulletin Technical Support Lead

  • Wayne Luke
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    I would say there are a lot more than 25,000 forums on the Internet. Probably closer to 25 Million. It is up to you to try and figure out how many run vBulletin though because I can't tell.

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  • Silver_2000
    Senior Member

  • Silver_2000
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    Originally posted by websissy
    You're right, Silver... and I completely agree with you.

    Although I believe your calculations ARE off just a bit... At a retail sales price of $200 and say 100 sales a week, that comes out to sales of roughly $20,000 a week or a gross licensing revenue stream of just over $1,000,000 a year. When you add to that installation services revenues and support fees and sales from the ancillary sites, I'd guess that Jelsoft's annual revenues probably hit at least the 1.5 - 2m level. But STILL that's not exactly a huge pile of cash with which to pay staff and feed and maintain a growing hi-tech business in this day and age!

    So, I strongly agree that a 48 hour outage was really NOT all that big a deal... unless you were that guy who was trying to install his copy of vBulletin or the one who had just spent his money to buy it, that is!

    Besides, as the Jelsoft guys have already pointed out, this outtage ONLY affected their websites... It apparently did NOT impact their internal production operations at all. Other than the mental disturbances to the peace of mind of the progammers while they were forced to hear the screams of anguish from their web-folks, that is!

    So, yeah, we got a bit of a scare out here in the field. And yes, I was just as worried as every other user was. But then it DID make many of us realize exactly how important and valuable these sites actually ARE to us now, didn't it? Under the circumstances, maybe THAT wasn't such a bad thing, after all...

    Furthermore, I've spent nearly four decades as a computer pro and in my experience a 48 hour outtage is really NOT exactly a huge major catastrophe. I've worked in several MAJOR corporations where it took MUCH longer than that to recover from a major computer calamity and the IT pros in THOSE shops really SHOULD have KNOWN better!

    Heck, two weeks ago, my personal LAPTOP failed and even with fairly good backups and a new machine purchased within hours, it STILL took much longer than that for me to get my personal workbench back up and running again... And even now, I'm STILL unscrambling a few directories and missing a few files that only existed on my old machine. There are NO RAID drives for laptops, I'm sorry to say!

    Anyway, given the LONG delay from the hosting provider in getting them a new box to put restore their data to, I think the folks at Jelsoft did an absolutely MARVELOUS job and I'm glad to be among those who can say:

    Welcome BACK guys!! Great work! And I PROMISE, I'll stop drinking now.

    Best Professional Regards,
    websissy
    Lets use the REAL numbers NOT made up numbers...

    http://www2.vbulletin.com/order/

    Shows a leased license for 85 and an owned license for 160

    I have no way to even guess what the ancillary income would be..
    The install income would be a fraction of the sales income - My bet is the paid installs is less than a 1/6 of the total sales.

    If the license fees were split between leased and owned licenses the revenue ouwl be less on a year to year basis cause a renewal for the owned license is less.....

    If they sold 100 a week every week for 5 years that would be 25,000 licenses.. Are there 25,000 forums on the web ? How many are running paid software, how many of those are running VB software ?
    Silver_2000
    Senior Member
    Last edited by Silver_2000; Fri 27 Feb '04, 7:52am.

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  • rebelsrock06
    Senior Member

  • rebelsrock06
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    Its great to have VB back, i really needed on for something and i finnaly took it to a diff place but thank god your back

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  • gogga
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    Originally posted by Hobbes
    Nice to see the sites up again
    you're not related to Mark Shriber from philadelphia, are you? i work with him and he's about you age

    anyway, good job on bringing the board back to life!!

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  • amgqmp1
    New Member

  • amgqmp1
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    Sorry to hear about the outage. These things happen do happen and even the best precautions can't always help when you are dependent on outside firms.

    It's a miracle computers work at all...

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  • FASherman
    Senior Member

  • FASherman
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    Originally posted by Silver_2000
    Great idea if you want to run solaris 2.6
    It works just fine with Linux, either Redhat or Suse.

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  • Raz Meister
    Senior Member

  • Raz Meister
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    The only interesting thing I saw was that PHPLive was included in every file, which was strange.

    Oh and the index page can do redirects to individual threads and forums.

    I'll try and find some security holes

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  • Scott MacVicar
    Former vBulletin Developer

  • Scott MacVicar
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    Oooh well you know how nasty the code is for the main site, its not been updated in 3 years...

    New code is completely different

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  • AZone
    Senior Member

  • AZone
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    Looks like I missed something...

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  • Raz Meister
    Senior Member

  • Raz Meister
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    Originally posted by CeleronXT
    Wasn't it said many times that it wasn't hackers?Which files? Files from the main site or the forum?
    Main site.

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