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  • #31
    Originally posted by mili
    If Americans are so fixated on their "rights" how come they don't see their freedom stripped away? They LOVE to sue for evey imagined slight but the bottom line it is pure greed.
    Be careful making such broad generalizations. I've been an American for 51 years and I have NEVER personally known ANYONE to file a lawsuit. Don't let the well-publicized execptions cloud your judgement. The reason they are news is because they are so rare.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by Steve Machol
      The reason they are news is because they are so rare.
      Like this (I would hope )

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      • #33
        Yep, exactly like that. Or like the women who sued McDonald's because the coffee was too hot. These things make the news because they are so rare (and so stupid!) If they weren't rare, they wouldn't be newsworthy.
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        • #34
          I don't get the logic here, you went there as a kid and broke the rules in doing so. You volunteered providing your info for what ever reason you had at the time and you stand behind there being no contract because you were a kid. But now you want to use your rights as an adult to sue this person to undo what you did knowingly did in the first place as a kid?

          WOW!

          Get a hobby man. I'd like to hear the other 2 sides to this silly story.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by CeleronXT
            Here's the scoop:

            I need a new lawyer to handle a new case against a vB forum that has been directly violating my privacy rights.
            I understand why you want to do this, but I agree with the rest when they say it's a waste of time and money.

            A lot of people here seem to be jumping on you, and they shouldn't be, but I honestly think it really is a waste of time and money pursuing this.

            If the admin on that board isn't going to cooperate with you, just let it go. If you make a big deal of this issue with him, it'll only make things worse, and make him more likely to give you a hard time. (or try to)
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            • #36
              Originally posted by noppid
              I don't get the logic here, you went there as a kid and broke the rules in doing so. You volunteered providing your info for what ever reason you had at the time and you stand behind there being no contract because you were a kid. But now you want to use your rights as an adult to sue this person to undo what you did knowingly did in the first place as a kid?

              WOW!

              Get a hobby man. I'd like to hear the other 2 sides to this silly story.
              Oh yeah, as a kid I really knew that someone who I percieved as older and more mature would be holding my personal information hostage. Sorry, I can't tell the future.

              Considering there aren't three total sides, you won't be hearing two more.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by CeleronXT
                Oh yeah, as a kid I really knew that someone who I percieved as older and more mature would be holding my personal information hostage. Sorry, I can't tell the future.

                Considering there aren't three total sides, you won't be hearing two more.
                I'm not flaming you when I say, Man to Man, Grow up! Let it go, as an adult we learn to learn from our screw ups and move on. You set this in motion yourself, you can try to transfer the blame all you want. You initiated this whole mess.
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                • #38
                  I agree that I broke a rule and that I got banned, but I definitely should not be tortured forever by the wrath of such an admin as this. Again, for me this has a much more harmful affect than it would for you, you just don't understand it.

                  Keep in mind the rule that I broke. I wasn't at the board wreaking havoc and spamming and posting gay porn or anything like that ( funny, because doing that would be less illegal than what he's doing now ) - it was only an age problem. In fact, like I've said before, I was contributing constructively, and planning on doing so more.

                  If you agree that based on the fact that the only rule I broke was that of age I should still be subjected to his torture.. I don't even know what to think of you.. except that maybe you're masochist (in that you wouldn't mind such treatment if it was happening to you as much as I do). O_o
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                  • #39
                    I agree that I broke a rule and that I got banned, but I definitely should not be tortured forever by the wrath of such an admin as this.
                    It happened on the internet. What kind of torture can possibly come from a person on the internet?
                    Did he threaten to come to your house or send his henchmen to your house?
                    Did he threaten you with bodily harm?
                    How can he ruin your reputation for life while in all reality you're too young to have anyone ruin your reputation?

                    I understand there is more to this story and maybe you do have a case, but, by only hearing one side of it and hearing things like "I could be damaged for life" makes it sound like you posted something you shouldn't have and now this person is holding it against you by refusing to remove your info or that he is threating to use your info to inflict bodily harm. I don't understand what kind of damage a person behind a monitor can do to you.

                    I know a very good lawyer that helped me in a lawsuit a couple years ago by one of my members.
                    In reality though the only person to make out on this is the lawyer.
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                    • #40
                      As a forum admin, I have had to ban people for several different things... In the event that the banned person requests that I remove his information, I do. I, personally, think that the person has the right to protect their personal information, and will try to accomodate that request to the best of my ability.

                      BUT, I also believe that I have a right to protect myself and my community, and will do what is necessary to do so. If the person is just requesting their personal information (birthday, e-mail, etc.), I just remove it, as it is of no need to me. If the person is requesting that their username be changed to something a little more general, seeing as several people use their same username all over the place, I will do that (but I will also keep the username in a notes field only accessible to admins in the veent that we need to know who the original user was). If the person is reuqesting that some or all the posts be removed, I move the more questionable content to a protected area (only accessible to admins) for future use (we have had some quite unusual users posting unusual content), and remove the rest. But, prior to removing any posts, I make a full backup that is then archived and saved should I need the full content of the forum prior to that point for legal purposes (again, we have had some weirdos).

                      From CeleronXT's posts, it seems that he would have no problems with any of the above methods, since it seems that he just wants his personal information removed from public eyes. I do not understand why an admin would have a problem with such a small request that would have such a small or non-existent effect on their forum...

                      I have had banned members request their information to be removed for reasons including apparent harassment via that information and apparently by some of the members of my forums. Had I figured found out who the party or parties was I would have banned them as well.

                      If the site in question has a privacy policy regarding the collection of your personal information, you may try rereading it to see if it says anything pertinent. It may give you a means to a solution (by refreshing the admin's memory of their own obligations put forth in their own privacy policy), or atleast more ammo...

                      I don't know of any lawyers you could contact, but you may try your own local yellow pages. Some lawyers offer free 30 minute consulations and they would probably quote their standard prices to you over the phone.

                      I hope that you can get this resolved...
                      "A man sits with a pretty girl for an hour, it seems like a minute. He sits on a hot stove for a minute, it's longer than any hour. That is relativity." -- Albert Einstein

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                      • #41
                        What would happen if the forums wasn't hosted in the US and the owner didn't live in the US? CeleronXT still sue?

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                        • #42
                          You've got a very tough battle ahead of you Celeron...Unless he posted your information publicly, selling it, or defaming your name, theoritically you'd might have a chance.

                          However the counter argument that the forums admin would probably argue is that you volunteered the information out to the public and by you volunteering it, he is in no obligation to remove it.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by CeleronXT
                            I agree that I broke a rule and that I got banned, but I definitely should not be tortured forever by the wrath of such an admin as this. Again, for me this has a much more harmful affect than it would for you, you just don't understand it.

                            Keep in mind the rule that I broke. I wasn't at the board wreaking havoc and spamming and posting gay porn or anything like that ( funny, because doing that would be less illegal than what he's doing now ) - it was only an age problem. In fact, like I've said before, I was contributing constructively, and planning on doing so more.

                            If you agree that based on the fact that the only rule I broke was that of age I should still be subjected to his torture.. I don't even know what to think of you.. except that maybe you're masochist (in that you wouldn't mind such treatment if it was happening to you as much as I do). O_o
                            Hmmm sorry for making this sweeping statement, but jesus - it sounds to me (from what I have read) there is more to it than the age restriction. It sounds like over the time, you've made posts there - probably devulging personal information, such as comments on sexual history, hacking, general malice (I am not saying you did, but it sounds like you weren't upto being a good citizen or else having your name associated there wouldnt matter).

                            Thing with the internet - you are responsible for your own actions, therefor you should accept it if the guy won't delete this info. If another member made up lies about you then he HAS to remove it - but because it came out of your own mouth (or fingers) then you don't really have too much say about it

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                            • #44
                              I think the guy wants a lawyer, not 20 questions, it's his decision, let him go ahead with it.

                              I don't know of any lawyers anyways

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                              • #45
                                No, it's not the content of the posts really.. They're generally ordinary things. They're not posts you would see here, but they're not like.. 'bad'. I can't really explain further without giving away the forum name.

                                Originally posted by Princess Nikida
                                From CeleronXT's posts, it seems that he would have no problems with any of the above methods, since it seems that he just wants his personal information removed from public eyes. I do not understand why an admin would have a problem with such a small request that would have such a small or non-existent effect on their forum...
                                Well yes, quite right. And it would not even have to be something as drastic as moving all of my posts elsewhere, its simply a change of user info. He can keep the rest of it on file privately (except my password hash), but I don't want it public.

                                Originally posted by AWS
                                It happened on the internet. What kind of torture can possibly come from a person on the internet?
                                Did he threaten to come to your house or send his henchmen to your house?
                                Did he threaten you with bodily harm?
                                How can he ruin your reputation for life while in all reality you're too young to have anyone ruin your reputation?

                                I understand there is more to this story and maybe you do have a case, but, by only hearing one side of it and hearing things like "I could be damaged for life" makes it sound like you posted something you shouldn't have and now this person is holding it against you by refusing to remove your info or that he is threating to use your info to inflict bodily harm. I don't understand what kind of damage a person behind a monitor can do to you.
                                Torture is a subjective term. Yes of course I realize there are very serious methods of torture (physical torture), and there are less serious ones. No one is too young to have a reputation ruined.
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