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    Recently, I decided I basically needed to do a staff overhaul. So, I dropped some staff, and I demoted all 'Super Moderators' who weren't GCN Staff (GCN, the program) to accomodate the new rules, and undergo new training. Anyway, I got on today, and recieved this PM, who was a Staff member of mine, but not of GCN, and so was demoted:

    Brian,

    recently someone has taken by Super Mod. and put me to Forum Mod. Seen as you are the main active Admin I'm prosuming that it was you. I have done nothing wrong lately and I was just PMing you to ask what happened and whether my position can be replaced ASAP, thanks.
    If the reason for taking my postion was personal, I may consider leaving the forums If it was for other reasons, I may also depending on the situation and reason as it would make me feel as though I am unnapreciated. But, this is not going to be a bad PM so I'd just like to tell you I have nothing against you or GCNForums and I am just curious about the situation and I am handling it how I wish to,

    Regards,
    JohnC
    At first, I read it... and was mad a little... but didn't do much. But, I read it the 2nd time, and realized, that he is only here for power. Everyone on GCN knows that he craves power.. but the problem is, he made the most posts on GCNForums, so it felt awkward. Anyway, I decided that overall, he did break several staff rules in the past, and now this one:

    Power Hungry Staff :
    If I feel that your power hungry at any time, by your actions, you will not continue being Staff. Having the power to moderate, does not mean you have power. The reason you have these special "abilitys" on the forums, is simple. You, as GCNForums Staff are trusted, respectful, dedicated, and have general/advanced knowledge of GCN and/or GCNForums. I hold the right to remove you from Staff at any time if I feel your powerhungry. If you feel a Staff member is powerhungry, or abusive, please contact me, Brian, immidiately. The process that follows is ussually a discussion with the Staff Members.
    Since hes had several warnings, 1 suspension, and 1 heated argument over it... I gave up. I PMed him the following:

    Referring to the other PM, I had posted in the Staff section that all Staff that had been 'Super Moderator' were just being demoted for further training if they weren't GCN Staff. Now, you made clear, you don't want to be here, if your not Staff. Well, then I feel very sorry for you JohnC.. You just gave up the best thing you had coming.. Anyway, you are now officially removed from GCNForums Staff for abusing the following rule:
    Power Hungry Staff :
    If I feel that your power hungry at any time, by your actions, you will not continue being Staff. Having the power to moderate, does not mean you have power. The reason you have these special "abilitys" on the forums, is simple. You, as GCNForums Staff are trusted, respectful, dedicated, and have general/advanced knowledge of GCN and/or GCNForums. I hold the right to remove you from Staff at any time if I feel your powerhungry. If you feel a Staff member is powerhungry, or abusive, please contact me, Brian, immidiately. The process that follows is ussually a discussion with the Staff Members.
    Your work for GCNForums won't be forgotten.. but your failure to realize that you are here to help me, and other members will not either. Overall, this is more warnings than a normal Staff member would recieve. Your freedom to visit GCNForums is still valid, but your Staff status, is not. Thank you for using GCNForums, and have a great day.

    Regards,
    Brian Schroeter
    I already have 2 new staff members picked out, that are to undergo basic training, and then they can start off as Staff. As for JohnC.. Do you think I was wrong?
    Last edited by bahawolf; Wed 13 Aug '03, 5:39am.

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    No, you were right. He was evidently very powerhungry, and esp. since he's been cause of problems in the past, you made the right decision.

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    • #3
      Thanks... I just felt awkward, because he did make alot of posts.. But now that I look at it... most were SPAM anyway. :\ Oh well, I think GCNForums will do alot better without him.

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      • #4
        rubbish, this guy has served you well (you had problems but you delt with them), also you took away the super moderator status without saying a word to anyone let alone the super modrators themselves.

        had you done this in a work environment you would be getting a lot of solicitors letters telling you they were taking you for constructive dismisal, as by the looks of things you leave them no choice in your actions and words but to leave..

        do you not think the sensible thing would have been to post a thread setting out your intentions in the moderator forum first, this would have enabled the super mods to see that this wasnt personal but a business decision and given them the oportunity to get used to the idea, then ou could have posted about the changes in an open forum so the mass populace know it was'nt a decision taken lightly and for reasons of rule breaking by the super mods, it was infact restructuring that goes on all the time...

        if you were unable to let the current super mods retain there status why not tell them this and give themt he oportunity to retrain with the relevnt skills..

        unfortunately m8 you seem to have alienated that super mod and i dare say the others are thinking the exact same thing but wont say anything they just wont turn up any more.......

        you do what you want on your message board m8 but if you want to seem profesional do things the profesional way........

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        • #5
          Happens a lot, that... :/

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          • #6
            do you not think the sensible thing would have been to post a thread setting out your intentions in the moderator forum first, this would have enabled the super mods to see that this wasnt personal but a business decision and given them the oportunity to get used to the idea, then ou could have posted about the changes in an open forum so the mass populace know it was'nt a decision taken lightly and for reasons of rule breaking by the super mods, it was infact restructuring that goes on all the time...

            if you were unable to let the current super mods retain there status why not tell them this and give themt he oportunity to retrain with the relevnt skills..
            I did just that... I had posted on the Staff site, in the public announcements, AND in the Announcements that all Super-moderators who weren't GCN Staff, were going to be dropped about 32 hours before I dropped them. If you knew him, you'd know hes powerhungry.

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            • #7
              phil, I disagree. You say "you leave them no choice but to leave" - what kind of crap is that? Just because they are no longer supermods but now normal mods is NO reason at all for them to leave, unless the only thing they cared about was power. In which case, they shouldn't have been (S-)mods in the first place, imo.

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              • #8
                I must agree... And JohnC knew the rules.. The fact that he disobeyed this rule, and several others in the past, is his own problem. And the fact that hes leaving, because hes been fired, is retarted. Trust me.. If you had known him, you'd see... Everyone on the forums want him off of Staff for that reason... He does not do a damn thing, and then wants more power for it.

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                • #9
                  Yup, you definitely made the right decision

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                  • #10
                    Also, GCNForums Staff have had several meetings in the past about him. 2/3 times, 4/5 people said they wanted him gone. Today, 5/5 said they want him gone.

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                    • #11
                      I think a bit of a warning to your current staff about upcoming changes was needed. It would have been a way of showing respect. Instead, you decided to use your power without consulting with your moderators.

                      True, it is your board and you do the majority of the work, and you have all the power. And truely, there could be no freedom of speech on a board that is your wish. But how do you feel that your moderators are looking at you now? What do you think the two new replacements coming in are thinking about?

                      Just some random thoughts.
                      Last edited by aric; Wed 13 Aug '03, 6:24am.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by 1337Devil
                        phil, I disagree. You say "you leave them no choice but to leave" - what kind of crap is that? Just because they are no longer supermods but now normal mods is NO reason at all for them to leave, unless the only thing they cared about was power. In which case, they shouldn't have been (S-)mods in the first place, imo.
                        no, it isnt the fact that they are no longer mods or super mods that leaves them no choice but to leave, its the way it was handled..

                        if i went to work tomorrow and was chucked a pair of overalls and told 'get back to the shop floor your jobs gone' and that was it!!!!! i would leave, however if i was taken to a side room or office and the situation was explained ie:- restructuring there wern't any jobs at my level, redundancy and so forth then i could handle that but, i would need somekind of memo sent to all staff to make sure they knew why i was demoted or lost my position, because to be a manager(super mod) one day and not the next without any kind of notice or explanation before it took place is not only wrong but indefensible.......

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                        • #13
                          People seem to be misunderstanding me... and getting pissed.

                          I did just that... I had posted on the Staff site, in the public announcements, AND in the Announcements that all Super-moderators who weren't GCN Staff, were going to be dropped about 32 hours before I dropped them.
                          Not to mention, we just had a meeting yesterday, and it was discussed. Ironically, JohnC missed another meeting... (4th in a row, which indeed breaks the rules as well) and noone had a problem with it. Everyone understands this is just TEMPORARY, and that they'll be getting it back when training is complete.

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                          • #14
                            Oh, and the only Staff member who actually now has nothing, is JohnC. The other Super Moderator was simply brought down to Moderator for training.

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                            • #15
                              Erm... if you don't mind me saying this all sounds like an exercise in military precision. I mean what's with the meetings and training? I have mods who haven't checked in for months, but I don't bin them because it's not the end of the world that they rarely visit due to real life committments. Actually my forum needs little moderation because we've got a great bunch of people who know where the lines are drawn and don't need to be baby sat. It won't fall apart if a few mods don't show up for a while. When their circumstances change they could become regular posters again, but if I were to tell them where to go because of lack of activity they would probably never come back.

                              I'm talking about your approach in general. I don't know the specifics of this case with JohnC so I won't comment on that. I'd need to read some of this posts first.

                              When you're dealing with fairly low traffic, close-knit boards like ours you can afford to loosen up a bit.
                              Last edited by Stryker; Wed 13 Aug '03, 6:45am.

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