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  • Skeptical
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    What I still don't get is, so what? Why is you being broke or non-profit Jelsoft's fault/business?

    If that were their business, then does it also mean you OWE Jelsoft a big cut of the money if you ever make it big and/or are bought out for millions of dollars?

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  • dunefreak
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    I may be wrong but it seems that in the current internet advertising situation, most of the sites non-profit.

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  • RJ
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    Originally posted by indigochild


    It's easy for commercial webmasters to say to us "just save up your money" but that's a heck of a lot of money to save up for something that's going to be used for non-profit projects (which are run completely out of our own pockets anyway).
    Point 1: We all pay for things that aren't a *necessity*. We want them, they're cool, they make life nicer. But we don't *need* them to exist. Do you own a personal stereo that your friends listen to while they're at your place? And do you have CDs to play on that stereo? How much did all this cost? Did you ever expect that stereo manufacturer or retailer to give you the equipment for much less just because you're a poor student?

    Point 2: The free boards have volunteers who work on the software. The vBulletin staff are exactly that - *staff*. They're paid. They have more incentive, and they work harder to give us a wonderful product. Now, if you were running a company, and you had payroll requirements to meet (not to mention advertising, administrative and other expenses), do you think you'd be in business long if you sold your product for $1? You wouldn't. Being kindhearted is a fine thing, but it doesn't pay the bills, and if Jelsoft started this practice, they wouldn't exist for long. I'd rather pay for the product, and look forward to future, better versions.

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  • PDT816
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    If your non-profit, why don't you just

    ask for donations on your site. Have people send you $1,3, or 5 each so they can all enjoy the benefits of an online community?

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  • Hooper
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    I remember cooking about 43 million pieces of chicken to purchase my first car. I was 16 and wanted a ride. So I walked for a whole year to work after school to cook chicken at the local slave shop. I can look back now that I'm 34 and say that indeed it was the way it should have been. Today I don't have to cook chicken to make a dollar thankfully. But I wouldn't change the fact that I did what it took to get what I wanted and needed.

    Do you want that son my dad said to me. I said YES! I do want that. He said work for it son, It will make you what you will be.
    And I said, you are kidding right dad?

    So anyhow I cooked chicken and glad I did.
    What a touching story this is...... lol....

    And with this post my post count hits a whopping 400!! So there you have it.
    Last edited by Hooper; Thu 7 Jun '01, 10:19am.

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  • Kathy
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    Originally posted by indigochild




    I know there are plenty of free boards out there but I've looked extensively the last few months and none of them are completely up to scratch. They lack customisability, are buggy, lack features, etc. and after dabbling with a few of them I have decided they create a lot of headaches. vB on the other hand is quite obviously the best PHP bulletin board you can get right now, I don't think anything else comes close.....

    Its not that your request for a discount offends at all...its that perhaps you've missed the rest of this thread explaining...that you do get what you pay for. A free board will cost nothing...and require more work on your part. Purchasing a fancier version is more costly, but offers support with the price tag.

    So, if you can only afford a bicycle, it isn't fair to ask the cadillac dealership to reduce the price on their car because of the cost, is it?

    There are other options for those that can't afford the VB.

    And yes, capitalism is a great incentive system. When I was a student, I worked part time alongside my high school and college studies. Even when I needed additional cash, I would find creative ways to earn additional money (pet sitting, baby sitting, car washing) because if there was something I wanted/needed...and if I wanted something of quality, I understood that quality comes with a price tag.

    VB isn't expensive. Perhaps in the money exchange, it is higher, but truthfully, if VB were more expensive in US dollars, it would be worth it still. Consider VB to be the quality end of bulletin boards. If its too expensive, try something else. It might meet your needs. And if it doesn't, start saving.

    I wouldn't suggest robbery though as a means to fund it.

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  • indigochild
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    Originally posted by Lorina
    If you think it's hard to pay for things now, try it when you have car payments, car insurance...
    lol yep... makes me want to be a little kid again. Life as a grownup? Too many worries!

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  • Lorina
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    If you think it's hard to pay for things now, try it when you have car payments, car insurance, groceries, gas bills, water bills, electric bills, mortgage payments, phone bills, taxes, medical bills, and miscellaneous household expenses.

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  • indigochild
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    Originally posted by jamesglewisf
    I think vBulletin is pretty cheap for what you get.

    If you can't afford it now, be patient and save up for it. Save 50 cents a day (U.S.), and you'll have it in less than six months.

    When I was a student I saved for months and sometimes over a year when I wanted to buy something I couldn't afford. You don't need to have everything you want the minute you want it.
    that is true.... but I bet you didn't have to save up to buy a bulletin board script when you were a poor student, lol (or maybe you did, who knows lol)

    I'm a uni student too and I sympathise with shark2000. Our aussie dollar is really weak compared to the US$ and the cost to buy vB is just really high. It's easy for commercial webmasters to say to us "just save up your money" but that's a heck of a lot of money to save up for something that's going to be used for non-profit projects (which are run completely out of our own pockets anyway). No offense intended to the vB team, btw.

    I know there are plenty of free boards out there but I've looked extensively the last few months and none of them are completely up to scratch. They lack customisability, are buggy, lack features, etc. and after dabbling with a few of them I have decided they create a lot of headaches. vB on the other hand is quite obviously the best PHP bulletin board you can get right now, I don't think anything else comes close (if you can provide evidence that says otherwise, email me in private )


    I just sent a message to the vBulletin sales team asking about the possibility of discounts or a lower priced reduced-feature version of vB for non-profit users. James Limm replied and said he'll look into it, so I hope something comes out of this

    I hope my requests for a discounted version of vB doesn't offend anyone here.
    Last edited by indigochild; Thu 7 Jun '01, 6:42am.

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  • jamesglewisf
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    I think vBulletin is pretty cheap for what you get.

    If you can't afford it now, be patient and save up for it. Save 50 cents a day (U.S.), and you'll have it in less than six months.

    When I was a student I saved for months and sometimes over a year when I wanted to buy something I couldn't afford. You don't need to have everything you want the minute you want it.

    Be creative. Ask for cash at Christmas and birthdays. Do some extra chores. Look around the neighborhood and see if you can find some stuff to do. Offer to clean someone's windows for 10 bucks. Clean people's cars for $3. Babysit. Walk people's dogs. Clean people's bbq grills. Clean gutters. Mow yards. Paint a fence. Vacuum and mop their floors. Pull weeds. Work for it.

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  • shark2000
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    Work hard eh? On top of school? Geez... Ill work for ya for a dollar a day, n/p, don't forget, you get what u pay for! (hehe seriously though can I email me!
    [email protected] )

    Yeah communist are gay. Forever Capitalism

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  • Skeptical
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    The alternative doesn't just suck, it sucks worse.

    Capitalism is great because it creates incentives for people to work hard and achieve. Socialism, on the other hand, makes everyone equal and everything belongs to the government. People won't innovate because they have ZERO incentives to do so.

    Yeah so people think greed and capitalism is bad, but trust me, there AIN'T no other way to get the human race to work together this hard.

    Same with vB. You can't afford it, then go earn some more money till you can. How would you like it if I made you work for me for $1 a day? Besides, it ain't THAT much money. Geez I had to pay $10,000 last year on a load balancer!

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  • chrispadfield
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    its called capitalism trust me the alternative sucks as well.

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  • shark2000
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    Thats the problem with today, only the rich get the goods

    ahwell thats the way the world works I guess

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  • Martin
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    veedee, I like you!

    LMMFAO

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