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  • #16
    Originally posted by Regs
    Next your gonna try and tell me that Kazaa has direct ties to Saddam...
    I thought everyone knew that.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Regs
      I'm pretty sure that once heretic gets here, he certainly won't want to go back, even if all of your ignorant claims were true

      Next your gonna try and tell me that Kazaa has direct ties to Saddam...

      ~Regs.
      And don't forget to mention the 50% socialist tax.
      Well, there it is.
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      • #18
        It was rhetorical... Guess sarcasm is simply lost on some people.
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        • #19
          Speaking in broad terms (because I am not well-versed in the specifics), no company can promise unlimited confidentiality to its customers in matters regarding a criminal or civil investigation. The police can instantly get a warrant for your phone records if you are part of a criminal investigation. Proponents of this aspect of the DMCA would argue that a similar standard applies in this case. I find it a little odd that it is possible to get the court to issue a subpoena for records when no actual case has been brought against anyone. Perhaps this will be something that is challenged and struck down, as certain aspects of it may conflict with the 4th amendment protection against illegal searches.
          That's the odd catch. I'm reading up on the DMCA itself right now for the specifics, but speaking from the information in the article itself, the information isn't being used in a legal or civil investigation.

          The police can obtain warrents for searches because they are the legally recognized law enforcement authorities, and need to provide probable cause for suspicion to first obtain that warrent. Subpeona's work differantly than warrents and I'll have to brush up on the legalities... but I think the same applies. They must be obtained for like you said, a direct investigation.

          In this case, I doubt that the case wouldn't be thrown out, because that is exactly what the case was about, simply obtaining the information.

          I'll definatly be looking more into the details, cuz this is of interrest to me, but as of now, I don't like the direction it's taking us. No comment necesarry on the downloading MP3's issue itself, but rather the lengths people will be able to legally use against our privacy rights.

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          • #20
            Actually, if the recording industry should go after anybody, it should be the people who upload the music. If nobody uploaded it, then nobody could download it!

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            • #21
              The Sony tower in Ginza is to die for. The show room brings tear to my eyes everytime I see it. It's so beautiful. Then again, Ginza is full of old rich people and that drives me away from going there too often.

              Anyway, Sony's American division tries to be as independant from their Japanese HQ as possible. They have an ADR in the American stock exchange and I do believe they are registered in America as Sony Corporation of America or something to the like. They hire American executives instead of shipping Japanese executives, etc.

              I get a kick out of people that use Romaji instead of English when typing *English* words of Japanese origin.

              Of course, Sony's HQ address, for any of those interested (since it seems to have come up): 7-35, Kitashinagawa 6-chome, Shinagawa-ku, Tokyo 141, Japan

              Just checked--Their official site states:

              Sony Corporation of America, based in New York City, is the U.S. subsidiary of Sony Corporation, headquartered in Tokyo.
              Last edited by ccd1; Wed 22 Jan '03, 7:47pm.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Brad.loo
                ..I sould just buy my own island. Get net hooked up via satlight and start making my own laws..
                Like all the companies that go to small islands like the Cayman Islands?

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                • #23
                  This is definitely an all time low for the judicial system. I can understand the RIAA's point of view, however rules in place currently did not account for modern day technology and they can't spread every judicial law that ever originated into all the modern day tunnels.

                  My next question would be first is....how the heck RIAA knows about this user in the first place in Kazaa? Kazaa is a huge network with several million users online. Kinda hard to trace everyone's activity.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by ManagerJosh
                    This is definitely an all time low for the judicial system. I can understand the RIAA's point of view, however rules in place currently did not account for modern day technology and they can't spread every judicial law that ever originated into all the modern day tunnels.

                    My next question would be first is....how the heck RIAA knows about this user in the first place in Kazaa? Kazaa is a huge network with several million users online. Kinda hard to trace everyone's activity.
                    Especially considering your username on Kazaa is of no importance. I have [email protected] on all of my computers. You can put anything you want, as many times as you want. Unbelieveable that they could trace something where the username can vary like that.. @[email protected]
                    "63,000 bugs in the code, 63,000 bugs, you get 1 whacked with a service pack, now there's 63,005 bugs in the code."
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by ManagerJosh
                      This is definitely an all time low for the judicial system. I can understand the RIAA's point of view, however rules in place currently did not account for modern day technology and they can't spread every judicial law that ever originated into all the modern day tunnels.
                      I don't think it's quite that desperate... . Technological advancement has exploded in the last 10 years, and by its nature, the judicial system is slow to respond. Trust me. You want it to be slow and deliberate. If it weren't, the legislature could do just about whatever it wanted -- and that's never a power you want to give to the 535 people in Washington with already-too-much time on their hands.

                      If you want another example of how the system is having growing pains, you might be interested to know that SBC Communications was granted a patent on... wait for it... a navigation bar on a website. No kidding. They're sending out letters to enforce their patent rights (of which, IMHO, if ever challenged, would be struck down as overly broad).

                      http://www2.museumtour.com/sbc.html#page1

                      I wouldn't freak out about this. Most of these current problems will be sorted out in the next 5-10 years.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Wayne Luke
                        I would just like to say goodbye and hope you like your adopted country to your liking. However when you can't purchase property, don't get access to all services because you are not a citizen and other issues that crop up, don't come crawling back.
                        I can't purchase property now- and even when I do, I still have the government and a homeowner's association telling me that we can't have shutters that don't match the neighboorhood, or we can't put the american flag out. Or maybe our local law that says you can't park more than 2 cars in a driveway (even a double one), or have a driveway covering more than 25% of the yard.

                        what I'm saying is that you don't own your property, even in the U.S.

                        get off your high horse and be informed.

                        Verizon and it's customers have a written agreement of confidentiality. This is not an order from a court, nor discovery. It's a ruling that anytime the RIAA wants personal information from an ISP, regarding what someone downloads, where they go, etc, that the information has to be provided. The RIAA is not a government body and has no rights to that information

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by heretic
                          I can't purchase property now- and even when I do, I still have the government and a homeowner's association telling me that we can't have shutters that don't match the neighboorhood, or we can't put the american flag out. Or maybe our local law that says you can't park more than 2 cars in a driveway (even a double one), or have a driveway covering more than 25% of the yard.

                          what I'm saying is that you don't own your property, even in the U.S.
                          Guess it depends on where you live. We don't have very many homeowner's associations where I live (also in the United States) and so none of that is an issue.

                          I have an American Flag in my yard;.the house doesn't match any other on the street. People in the neighborhood have up to 100% of their yard concreted in. I can see driveways with 5 or 6 cars in them. Heck at my parents house, there are 5 cars in the driveway plus when my brother is in town, his truck cab is parked in front of the house. If my other brother and my family go to visit there will be up to 8 cars in their driveway. The only parking rule we have is that you can't park on the road when they are doing streetsweeping which is 2 days a month. The only landscaping rule we have is that whatever you plant should be alive except in drought years where water should be conserved.

                          I would never live in a Homeowner's Association and am glad that I have choices here in the good ol' USA to not do so.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by heretic
                            Verizon and it's customers have a written agreement of confidentiality. This is not an order from a court, nor discovery. It's a ruling that anytime the RIAA wants personal information from an ISP, regarding what someone downloads, where they go, etc, that the information has to be provided. The RIAA is not a government body and has no rights to that information
                            Oh as a Verizon customer, I have never received a written agreement of confidentiality. Have been a GTE/Verizon customer for the last 18 years and a customer of their Internet service for over a year now.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Wayne Luke
                              Oh as a Verizon customer, I have never received a written agreement of confidentiality. Have been a GTE/Verizon customer for the last 18 years and a customer of their Internet service for over a year now.
                              it's in the ToS, I'd quote it but I'm too lazy to find it

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                              • #30
                                I would never live in a Homeowner's Association and am glad that I have choices here in the good ol' USA to not do so.
                                Amen!

                                Freedom, baby. Would that more people appreciated it.
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