AMD going DOWN

[john2k]

AMD vs Intel... hmmm....

Well, I was using Intel for my personal computer up until December. Now have an XP 2600+ w/333FSB + ASUS A7N8X -- it flies. Also built a few PCs with AMD procs over the past few months for family, one has been running 24/7 for the past 5 months. Up until September I only had the experience of working with Intel based computers.

I've gotta say, AMD is proving itself very well to me. Price, performance, reliability.

Now I don't claim to know whether Intel or AMD is the absolute best. But then again, the technology continually improves - unless you have the latest & greatest chip from whatever manufacturer, chances are that the other manufacturer already has a chip faster than the one you have.

[ccd1]

Stockholders get them sent to them. They're quite annoying when you receieve about a billion of them from different companies you don't care about.

[Wayne Luke]

Originally posted by Jakeman
really? where can i get past earnings reports?

You can order them from your brokerage or the Securities and Exchange Commission.

[P.Jackson]

bah just gimme a slice of that and ill be happy

[bigmattyh]

Originally posted by ManagerJosh
I'm sure if we look through Intel's past earning reports that it would mention them losing just as much or more money.

Bad comparison. Intel is a much larger company, and so $1bn is not as much money to them.

Like I said, companies go through rough patches. A company with the resources of AMD will not die. It may be bought; it may cut parts off; it may shrink a little. But it will not go away.

[Jake Bunce]

really? where can i get past earnings reports?

[ManagerJosh]

Originally posted by Jakeman
they lost almost 1 billion dollars in one quarter. you can't look at that number and have no doubt about the companies future.

I'm sure if we look through Intel's past earning reports that it would mention them losing just as much or more money.

[Jake Bunce]

they lost almost 1 billion dollars in one quarter. you can't look at that number and have no doubt about the companies future.

[ManagerJosh]

I agree with NetherChris a lot.

Stability issues related to the VIA chips are expected since they are the FIRST chipset maker to not use any Intel related core. The move by AMD to make their own chip and depend on their own chipset was a brilliant move on their behalf cutting expenses while preventing Intel from monopolizing.

People who remove heatsinks, are just idiots and I know for a fact there are safeguards on motherboards that prevents overheating on the AMD by shutting down.

Intel may have the name yes, but are you willing to pay a couple hundred for a name when it serves no purpose? AMD has proven itself over the last few years that it can match Intel in performance and design without being shaken.

AMD kept a very close tail when P2s when slot. Performance equals or exceeds it.

Honestly I doubt AMD can be shaken off, considering the last move by Intel where they made a pure 64bit consumer processor whereas the Hammer is a hybrid and suits the needs of many more consumers.

[dabean]

Originally posted by bigmattyh
I read an article in the last few months about the wisdom of Apple switching to Intel CPU's to cut costs and to make their apps compatible with PC's, thereby increasing the palatability of the Mac to the average consumer. It would be mighty interesting for Apple to buy AMD, and then create a new processor that gives Apple the best of both worlds. Not all that likely, but still, you never know.

Apple switching its desktop top platform to x86 may give them a performance boost but the price for the performance is loosing legacy support for existing MacOS/OSX+PPC applications. Its not the hardware that sells platforms but the software support without the existing applications OSX on x86 would be near useless and further more porting complex applications between cpu architechtures is vastly more complex than the still on going application migration from mac os to OSX. Unless apple fancy waiting 2 to 3 years for large applications like Quark, Photoshop, Illustrator to be ported a switch to x86 is a hiding to noware at the desktop level. At desktop level apple's only route is either Motorola G5 or IBM PPC970.

On the other hand adopting a x86 version like say x86-64 (opteron) at the server level goes a long way towards getting a crediable server platform with a long term future which server software companies would support. Going from x86-64 + Linux to x86-64 + OSX server is relatively easy.

A hybridised PPC/x86 cpu would fall under the definition of new architure which means its a) expensive to do, b) takes a long time. Lets say $1bn (US) and 5 to 7 years before such a cpu could be sold if development was started on it today.

Ah but software emulation I hear you cry, well whilst G3 is certianly doable with reasonable performance G4 on the other hand is not and it will be a number of years before 128-bit Altivec unit can be emulated by a x86 design in software.

[jrwap]

I am a big fan of AMD's processors. For me, a poor college kid, its great to get top notch performance for about $300-$600 less than what I would pay for a similar Intel chip. Yes, they run much hotter and the core can get damaged very easily, but I think thats a small price to pay.

Someone had mentioned that all the big computer manufacturers only use Intel chips..... that is very far from the truth. HP and Compaq both offered great systems at an affordable price using Athlons... before the merger of course.

While I have no personal experience with the Itanium processors, I have read alot of complaints about them with reguards to their price/performance factor. It will be interesting to see how the Hammer can help AMD in the future when they finally release it. It will be the only 64bit (32bit backwards compatable) processor on the market. Microsoft has already been reworking the Windows opperating system to take advange of this processor which should help boost support and sales in the industry.

No matter what processor company you support, keep in mind that cometition is VERY IMPORTANT!!! Without it, we will be paying an arm and a leg which would suck.

-JRW

[bigmattyh]

Originally posted by roxics
Here's a thought. What about Apple buying out AMD?

Very interesting. I read an article in the last few months about the wisdom of Apple switching to Intel CPU's to cut costs and to make their apps compatible with PC's, thereby increasing the palatability of the Mac to the average consumer. It would be mighty interesting for Apple to buy AMD, and then create a new processor that gives Apple the best of both worlds. Not all that likely, but still, you never know.

[CeleronXT]

Originally posted by inetd
CeleronXT, you right!
It's ROX!!! Intel FOREVER

I retract my earlier statement about it "rox"ing. :P

Although I am an Intel kind of guy, if AMD goes out, Intel will become a much worse company without AMD's competition. I still don't like AMD though.

Originally posted by SkuZZy
I won't try and convince you to not use intel. We need people like you around to keep intel in business.

No no, please do so.

[inetd]

Yes!!!!!!!!

CeleronXT, you right!
It's ROX!!! Intel FOREVER

[Jake Bunce]

Originally posted by roxics
Here's a thought. What about Apple buying out AMD?

Last I heard Apple had something like 4-6 billion in free spending cash they were saving. I don't know how true that was or not. I'm also not sure if they could get AMD for that price.

They're had been rumors of AMD building Apple new chips for the mac line up. Seems that if Apple bought out a comapy like AMD they wouldn't have to rely on third parties like motorola or IBM to build their chips which are keeping them behind the times.

Anyway it's an interesting thought all the same.

apple desperately needs new cpus. buying amd would probably be good for them.