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  • #16
    I could say the exact same thing about killing people. I can easily kill someone and plant fake evidence and get away with it. This law shouldn't exist. The law exists for a reason, and if it is broken, knowing our happy government and its ongoing battle against all having to do with "corrupting our youth", they will take action.

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    • #17
      I've never heard of COPPA being enforced by the goverment...

      I think its one of the laws, that normally they don't do anything about, but if they wanted to screw with you for some reason, they could...

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      • #18
        Originally posted by The Prohacker
        I've never heard of COPPA being enforced by the goverment...

        I think its one of the laws, that normally they don't do anything about, but if they wanted to screw with you for some reason, they could...
        If a 10 year kid registers on your site, meets a pedophile, and gets raped and murdered, and his parents sue you as the site owner, and you did not have COPPA enabled which is the law... then you may be in some trouble. If things go right, then everyone is happy, but it's when things go wrong.
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        • #19
          I believe since COPPA is a US thing, even if your site is hosted in the US, you won't get into any trouble there. You might be forced off of your current host if it's in the US, but you are out of the country....

          I think that would be how it works anyway....
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          • #20
            Someone posted here a while back that you cannot simply deny registeration to people under 13, you had to let them register, then turn them down or something... I believe it was a mod here but not sure, Im not sure if its true either though..
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            • #21
              Originally posted by baragon0
              A board that struck me as interesting was eScrew, they have nothing but adult content and yet no COPPA registration or any way to verify registration.
              That's because they don't have to comply.

              COPPA only applies to sites that are directed at children.

              From the FTC site:

              "If you operate a commercial Web site or an online service directed to children under 13 that collects personal information from children or if you operate a general audience Web site and have actual knowledge that you are collecting personal information from children, you must comply with the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act."

              There's a lot of mis-information about COPPA out there.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Arkham

                "If you operate a commercial Web site or an online service directed to children under 13 that collects personal information from children or if you operate a general audience Web site and have actual knowledge that you are collecting personal information from children, you must comply with the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act."
                Okay, but what constitutes "for children"?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by baragon0
                  Okay, but what constitutes "for children"?
                  Well, not porn, not adult discussions a la Salon... Really, it's not that hard to figure out. Hardly any vB's I've seen have been directed at children.

                  "To determine whether a Web site is directed to children, the FTC considers several factors, including the subject matter; visual or audio content; the age of models on the site; language; whether advertising on the Web site is directed to children; information regarding the age of the actual or intended audience; and whether a site uses animated characters or other child-oriented features."

                  Here's the link.

                  COPPA is only relevant when you are actively collecting information from children, i.e. a poll or contest on the Lego site.
                  Last edited by Arkham; Thu 26 Sep '02, 6:48am.

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                  • #24
                    I'm glad this subject came up, because I have a brand new board and 30 people joined the first day. Anyway, it's a fishing board, and certainly not adult oriented. But, fishermen will be fishermen, and some of the langauge and avatars may be offensive. If I catch nudity, I edit it. I allow scantaly clad babes as avatars (ok, I admit, I'm the one with the babe avatar).

                    I do have COPPA enabled. Does "suggestive nudity" expose someone to liability?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by tampascott
                      I'm glad this subject came up, because I have a brand new board and 30 people joined the first day. Anyway, it's a fishing board, and certainly not adult oriented. But, fishermen will be fishermen, and some of the langauge and avatars may be offensive. If I catch nudity, I edit it. I allow scantaly clad babes as avatars (ok, I admit, I'm the one with the babe avatar).

                      I do have COPPA enabled. Does "suggestive nudity" expose someone to liability?
                      You don't have to have it enabled, but it doesn't hurt. Unless you're specifically dedicated to kids fishing, it's not required.

                      You can have whatever nudity you want, as long as you're not aiming it at kids.

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                      • #26
                        Be aware that COPPA is only a protective measure. The only time it will become relevant is if a youngster falls into trouble on your site. It's when the child's parents sue, that's when COPPA will be present to either protect you, or prosecute you. If you keep all other precautions, you should be safe.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Arkham
                          You don't have to have it enabled, but it doesn't hurt. Unless you're specifically dedicated to kids fishing, it's not required.

                          You can have whatever nudity you want, as long as you're not aiming it at kids.
                          Definitely not being aimed at kids, rest assured. In fact, on my site, no nudity really being aimed at anyone. There is just sometimes incidental "suggestive nudity" (e.g., some babe in a sexy sheer bra). I doubt there are any kids even subscribed, but you never know. If I ever see any full nudity up on the site, it'll be yanked down as quickly as possible.

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                          • #28
                            Re: I don't use COPPA... am I going to hell?

                            Originally posted by SkuZZy
                            heheh. Seriously though, what's the deal with COPPA? I never enabled it on my forums. However, I did recentely edit the agreement that people must agree to before joining the forums, changing it to state that all users must be over the age of 13 or else they can't join[/i]
                            I don't know exactly how it'll work, but when I set up my vB I'm going to try to edit out the COPPA references and just use the feature to restrict the board to 18+ as there are enough forums for kids. It'll help cut down on spam and "Havnt I seen U b4 0n a 1337 4um?" posts.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Re: I don't use COPPA... am I going to hell?

                              Originally posted by Arkham
                              I'm going to try to edit out the COPPA references and just use the feature to restrict the board to 18+ as there are enough forums for kids.
                              I like that idea, and think I'll do the same thing with my site. At least it shows some action on your part to try to discourage kids from coming in. Of course, the downside to that, at least when your forum is not aimed at potentially offensive material, is that adults will read the language and think, "Why is this an 18+ site, is there something sleazy inside?" Just a thought.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Re: Re: I don't use COPPA... am I going to hell?

                                Originally posted by tampascott
                                I like that idea, and think I'll do the same thing with my site. At least it shows some action on your part to try to discourage kids from coming in.
                                At the same time, I'm not going to take a hard line on it. "Discourage" is the right word, but I'm not going to ban teenagers who know how to communicate properly and have something to say. Esp. when I was a mid-teen myself when my interest in horror fiction (the site topic) developed. It'll be interesting to see how hypocritical I end up being. I don't see having as much of a problem with those forums as I will with the gaming sub-forums though. d00d, dat might B a mess.

                                Of course, the downside to that, at least when your forum is not aimed at potentially offensive material, is that adults will read the language and think, "Why is this an 18+ site, is there something sleazy inside?" Just a thought.
                                By "18+" I mean "mature". Who knows how I'll word it this time. You've pointed out something (the "porn" stigma) that I occasionally ran into during the 13 years I ran my original BBS, but once people see the quality of the messages it pays off. It's all in the wording and the application of your guidelines. (At the time it was dedicated to BattleTech and later SF/Horror/gaming, so people wondered what was so "adult" about it. )

                                I'd be interested in seeing your results sometime.

                                (EDIT: Oh, your site's about spear fishing! I doubt that with a topic like that many people would question why you had an age guideline. Not for any specific reason, but it just doesn't scream "Hey Kids! Let's Spear Fish!" to me...)

                                SCUZZY:

                                So your forums are for Blizzard games? I don't see a problem, unless you were running a Mario/Star Fox Nintendo forum. Then the mass hysteria about kids and video games would go against you. "How can you have the word (uh...) 'bottom' on a site where kids can read it!"
                                Last edited by Arkham; Thu 26 Sep '02, 11:58am.

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