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  • #16
    I live in the UK and find it kind of scarry that Bush could get to be president, I mean you need to be able to handle people from other countries - from what I hear he has only left the country on 3 occasions!

    From the TV I have seen over here of Bush I kind of get the impression that he is just a famous face to go with someone elses agenda and that on his own he couldn't organise a p***-up in a brewery.

    As for Clinton, well he happens to be one of the best leaders the USA has had in a long while - For all those that say the current economic climate is nothing to do with him I say think again. If he weren't a good leader he could have trashed the economy by now - Trust me, we have Tony Blair as a leader and he hasn't got a clue if you ask me, especially when it comes to balancing the wishes of the people and the needs of the country.
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    • #17
      [QUOTE]Originally posted by wajones
      Maybe we should give everyone a "pronoune" test to be able to vote! No lets not, I would be disqualified, as we all probably would be.

      By the way Hitler was perhaps one the most verbally polished public figures the world has known. He almost destroyed the very reason we can freely express our views without fear of being punished for it. I'm sure those who couldn't "pronoune" properly wouldn't have fit into his ideal super race of exceptable human beings.
      The leader of the free world should be able to speak the language of the country he's ruling. I'm not running for president. You're not running for president. And if I couldn't speak proper English, I WOULDN'T run for president.

      I'm not condoning Hitler's actions by any means, but he was a good leader of his people. A leader should be well spoken, and educated. Not George "dubyah" Bush.

      It will be a sad day for this country if Bush turns out to be the winner in this election.

      -jim

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Karl
        As for Clinton, well he happens to be one of the best leaders the USA has had in a long while - For all those that say the current economic climate is nothing to do with him I say think again. If he weren't a good leader he could have trashed the economy by now - Trust me, we have Tony Blair as a leader and he hasn't got a clue if you ask me, especially when it comes to balancing the wishes of the people and the needs of the country.
        Clintons charm is so deceiving, the Republican Congress has worked so hard and achieved so much to put the Regan economic system into place, yet Clinton gets the credit! Over the years I have hated the boisterous voice of the Republican Congress, yet they are the one’s that have carried through and put into place the tools that make our present economy so strong.

        Seems he (Clinton) has more than women under his spell! That is so funny, yet so sad… as for Tony Blair, to the outside world he has much of the same qualities that Clinton has, I perceive him as being a good leader.

        How many of us are old enough to remember that High School Class president that we thought to be so great, because of his looks and charm, only to find out over the years how shallow he actually was/is. Clinton's charm is shallow, the fact that he/the Democrats get credit for our Economic success is really sad.

        Originally posted by JimF
        The leader of the free world should be able to speak the language of the country he's ruling.
        -jim
        Shouldn't that be serving, not "ruling" and shouldn't the leader of the free world keep his personal life at home, not under his desk in the oval office.

        Besides all the crap we fling, what really matters is that the American people including me will eventually support which ever one ends up winning, I personally think Gore will actually win and will do a good job despite others personal feelings. It takes a lot of people to run this country, not one man. Hopefully Whoever is elected he will recognise how evenly the country is split on the issues and "serve" the people not his own interrests.

        [Edited by wajones on 11-09-2000 at 01:47 PM]

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Me2Be
          Anyone like talking about politics? Was anyone else glued to the TV last night watching the results?? What do you think of the Palm Beach situation?

          First off please excuse me for being so active in this thread, I love to hear peoples opinion's. I would like to address Me2Be's original question that we have strayed from. That's how politics works, just avoid the question.

          The Palm Beach situation is really unfortunate, even more unfortunate is that wherever you have people you have corruption and mistakes; hopefully this was a mistake that can be fixed. I would not want a president elected with such a mistake causing the outcome one way or the other.

          There also seems to be many mistakes/errors hopefully not corruption, but who knows, in several states that could as well change the outcome of the election. Never before has this been realized, no election has ever been this close that it would have mattered as far as I know.

          What does this mean, hopefully it means that we will get some kind of election reform.

          What kind of reform do we need? I would like to see the popular vote alone be the deciding factor. The reasons for the electorial college have long disapeared.

          What do you think?

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          • #20
            I agree 100%, for anyone to think that Gore didn't know and condone what Clinton was doing is a fool. The fact that he and all the Democrats in congress that didn't step up and condemn him is the shame of our country.
            You're mistaken on that point. Joe Liberman condemned Clinton for his behavior. He was very outspoken about that issue.

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            • #21
              Re:

              Originally posted by Aaron
              Womens rights?? What about a baby's right to live? On the day of conception, that baby is a living being, if women don't want the responsibility of a child, they should be responsible enough to prevent the conception of that child.
              And when a woman gets raped or is an incest victim? I suppose that would be her fault as well? The government has no right to make that decision for anyone.
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              • #22
                One of the main reasons that a woman would abort a child is becuase they have no means of supporting that child. Maybe not emotionally, but monetarily. And that is usually because the father doesn't want to have to support the child.

                It must be all those anti-birth control republicans making all those babies and not paying for them. Then they say "HA HA! We're gonna pass laws that won't let you abort the baby".

                Don't blame this on the women; if the men were smart enough, they would prepare accordingly. Don't punish the women because the man is lazy.

                I do believe in not allowing abortions after a given amount of time; like I don't think that babies in the third trimester should be aborted, but prior to that, it should be the woman's choice.

                Men making a law prohibiting abortions is like a bunch of men designing tampons for a living. It just shouldn't be done.

                -jim

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by mferrell
                  I agree 100%, for anyone to think that Gore didn't know and condone what Clinton was doing is a fool. The fact that he and all the Democrats in congress that didn't step up and condemn him is the shame of our country.
                  You're mistaken on that point. Joe Liberman condemned Clinton for his behavior. He was very outspoken about that issue.
                  Sorry, I was only refering to those that didn't, Joe Liberman did and I commend him for it.

                  Too bad we couldn't have switched the ballot to Liberman/Gore. He would bring some dignity back to the White House. I might not have switched from Democrat to Republican!!! No! I couldn't honestly say that, I think Colin Powell had as much to do with converting me as anyone. I would have loved to see a ballot with Colin Powell on it. Of course no way that could have happened, still too many bigots out there, too bad. Maybe next time! Who knows?

                  A letter, from Colin Powell.

                  "In the life of nations, great turning points and pivotal elections are not always obvious at the time. Circumstances change, politics is full of surprises, history is unpredictable. But for many reasons, November 7, 2000 stands out with unusual clarity as a moment of decision..."

                  I am voting for our Republican team, and I urge you to do so as well.

                  We have offered a positive vision of hope, opportunity and common sense reform. We have forthrightly addressed the big issues: education, Social Security, access to quality health care for all Americans, tax relief, and a strong national defense.

                  Our team has not flinched from tough choices.

                  We have campaigned in a spirit of good faith, inclusiveness, and optimism. Our candidates have earned our enthusiastic support.

                  We must, however, guard against apathy. Please be sure you, your family, and your friends and neighbors get out and vote.

                  For a variety of reasons too numerous to discuss here, voter turnout in the United States in recent decades has been low and is declining. In fact, it is likely that barely half of the eligible voters will make the effort to get to the polls on November 7. I ask you to make a special effort to be among them. Don't think for a moment it doesn't matter. It does matter and you have an obligation to vote.

                  We have an extraordinary opportunity on November 7. The Cold War is over, but we need coherent and principled leadership for a rapidly changing world, and a military ready to deter war if possible and win decisively if necessary. We are committed to these principles.

                  At home, the economy is strong and the budget is balanced. A growing surplus provides the means to both cut taxes and finance important reforms. On education, Social Security and health care, our Republican team is right and our opposition is wrong.

                  On the social issues that have divided our nation for so long, we are committed to forge a bi-partisan approach to solving America's problems. We are committed to a future that leaves no one behind. We believe individual liberty is rooted in personal responsibility.

                  The moral dimension of leadership respects the moral and religious foundations of our Republic. We trust the American people to manage their own lives.

                  For all these reasons, it is important for each and every one of us to vote on November 7. We have as clear a choice as America has faced in at least a generation. Your vote does count. Please join me in helping elect our Republican team. Thank you.

                  Sincerely,

                  Colin L. Powell"



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                  • #24
                    I would have voted for Colin Powell in a heartbeat. I think he would win hands down.

                    I'm registered as an independent; I'm allowed to vote Republican if I want too

                    -jim

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by JimF
                      I would have voted for Colin Powell in a heartbeat. I think he would win hands down.
                      Same here, I wasn't overly thrilled with either candidate.... this is only re-affirmed by such a close vote (the latest figures show only 400 votes between Bush/Gore in FL now, out of over 5 million cast).

                      -Chris

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by JimF
                        I would have voted for Colin Powell in a heartbeat. I think he would win hands down.

                        I'm registered as an independent; I'm allowed to vote Republican if I want too

                        -jim
                        I am a California resident and previously the Primary Elections required that you could only vote within your own party to select your parties candidate for the presidential election. Now that you can vote for anyone during the primary I could conceivably change to independent. I have never voted party lines in any Presidential Election. As a Democrat I voted for Regan, Bush Sr., Clinton (Dang!).

                        Originally posted by Chris Schreiber
                        Same here, I wasn't overly thrilled with either candidate.... this is only re-affirmed by such a close vote (the latest figures show only 400 votes between Bush/Gore in FL now, out of over 5 million cast).

                        -Chris
                        I agree with that also, as much as Gore stands for everything I disagree with, I would rather see him win the election than go thru all the crap that is going to come out of this. I think the people have demanded a fair shake on both sides of the issues. Neither candidate will be able to force an agenda down anyone's throat.

                        It remains to be seen if we all win or we all lose!!!

                        [Edited by wajones on 11-09-2000 at 04:48 PM]

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                        • #27


                          "See, I told you I was gonna tell my daddy on you!!!"



                          -jim

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                          • #28
                            Thank You, Thank You, Mr. President

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                            • #29
                              Just for fun, check this out:

                              http://www.colonize.com/warp/index.html



                              -jim

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by JimF
                                Just for fun, check this out:

                                http://www.colonize.com/warp/index.html



                                -jim
                                LOL, that is so funny, it almost locked up my computer.

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