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  • #16
    That is really why there are not that many decent CMSs out there, building one to make it flexible for everyone to use is very hard and takes about 50 times longer than just building one to suit ones own needs. One program that can be used as a CMS is links SQL but it is in perl and quite hard to customize but the power is there.
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    • #17
      ethank,

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      Thanks!
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      • #18
        I wonder how PHP Portal compares to vB 3's new CMS. Will the new CMS be similar to PHP Portal in terms of design but more advanced in content management? Because I need to make my content dynamic and move away from being static this summer. I can hope this new CMS solves my problems.
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        • #19
          it won't be anything like vbportal/PHP portal etc. because it is a CMS not a portal However i havn't seen the development on it from the last couple of weeks or so so it could have changed, but I think you will find it is all about being a CMS and not a portal.
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          • #20
            There's development on the CMS? Does that mean vB v3 is done, 'cause I seem to have read that the CMS was on stand-by 'til v3 was done?
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Fusion
              There's development on the CMS? Does that mean vB v3 is done, 'cause I seem to have read that the CMS was on stand-by 'til v3 was done?
              Gee, we're getting a little desparate aren't we?

              Sorry, but there still appears to be a lot more work to be done on vB 3.0.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by chrispadfield
                it won't be anything like vbportal/PHP portal etc. because it is a CMS not a portal However i havn't seen the development on it from the last couple of weeks or so so it could have changed, but I think you will find it is all about being a CMS and not a portal.
                the vB 3 CMS will have a portal interface though, right? great, a CMS, but how to display it?

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                • #23
                  Going out on a (rather sturdy) limb here, but since it's coming from the vB guys, it'll be template-driven. Meaning: you customize it, baby.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by chrispadfield
                    it won't be anything like vbportal/PHP portal etc. because it is a CMS not a portal However i havn't seen the development on it from the last couple of weeks or so so it could have changed, but I think you will find it is all about being a CMS and not a portal.
                    Ohhh thankyou thankyou thankyou thankyou thankyou!

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by smachol
                      Gee, we're getting a little desparate aren't we?
                      Heheh, 'twas worth a try, Steve.
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                      • #26
                        Well, here's my personal opinion on the CMS issue so take it for what it's worth. I am running vbPortal and in my opinion it is a CMS. Depending on how you implement it into your site, you don't have to have the "dreaded 3-column format" running throughout your entire site as I have done. I use the 3 column format on my site home page and that's it. I have found that the 3 column format provides the most efficient manner of displaying tidbits of information and valuable links to other parts of the site where they immediately catch the attention of the user when he/she comes to the homepage of the site.

                        Now, can someone give me a proper/definitive definition of what a CMS is and how it does not relate to vbPortal?

                        As far as utilizing templates to display data/content that is stored within a database....what's the difference between that and utilizing a simple HTML based template where you plug the data/content into the HTML?

                        Yes, a little database automation would be nice, but it's not a big deal to do it as described above.

                        I've started monthly columns in my forums which have proven to be extremely popular. I have the forums set up so that only I (the administrator) can start new threads (which is the monthly articles) and the members can reply to those threads. The reason why I've chosen to do this is because I feel that it's important to receive member feedback on the posted articles. The members bring fresh insight and knowledge into the article topic and encourage further discussion.

                        On the other hand, I've also written 4 page technical articles using the old fashioned HTML method and not utilizing the forums. Both methods work well for their intended purpose. The only drawback I've found is that by utilizing the forums to submit articles, you're bound by various coding restrictions which ultimately affect the layout of text and photographs. It's a minor annoyance, but not an impossibility.

                        Again, just my two cents.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by RobAC
                          As far as utilizing templates to display data/content that is stored within a database....what's the difference between that and utilizing a simple HTML based template where you plug the data/content into the HTML?
                          The best way to explain this is with a simple example:

                          Say you have a site with bits of news for your members. You've built up a considerable database of news items -- let's say about 300, all of which you wish to keep available to your visitors.

                          ... Then you decide that you want to change your site design.

                          If you've entered each of these news items into a static HTML template, you now have to change all 300 of these pages, or at least, you have to cut-and-paste all the old news items into your new templates.

                          With dynamic, database-driven templates, you only need to change the templates, and the software puts the content into the appropriate place. Your content is stored separately from the design, allowing you to change the design without affecting the content. It's all done dynamically, putting the work load on the machine, not you.

                          And as an aside, one of vB's greatest strengths is that it runs off of templates. I wish other software did the same.
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                          • #28
                            pssst.....................................

                            Watch this one real close. Poke around and notice all the great features and visit some of the sites to see how they have deployed it.

                            http://www.pmachine.com/

                            I have no connection with either the product, the author or anything directly or indirectly related to the site, script, hosting, php, or Mysql

                            It's just on my watch list to buy as soon as the new version comes out for another site I'm working on.

                            HTH
                            Have a great day :)
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                            • #29
                              Does the vB3 CMS comes as a package or an optional or we have to purchase individually?
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                              • #30
                                All this *bits* of information on sites and portals are anoying - I'm already at your site, why are you trying to gain my attention on every square inch of every page?

                                I prefer a plain, dull and unformatted site with the content I want instead of a visually appealing site which offers nothing. Having both is the best of all worlds, and will make a great product.
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