Former vBulletin lead developer Kier Darby to develop new forum software?

[ManagerJosh]

I really don't know what you mean. Anyway if that is an issue, I am not affected at all since I use my vBattach mod to align images perfectly anywhere I want in a thread.

Ever clicked that little pencil on the image in FireFox or IE?

[Lionel]

Try inserting the item and then managing it's form. Like alignment.

I really don't know what you mean. Anyway if that is an issue, I am not affected at all since I use my vBattach mod to align images perfectly anywhere I want in a thread.

[ManagerJosh]

In which way? I don't have any problems with IE or chrome.

Try inserting the item and then managing it's form. Like alignment.

[Lionel]

Respectfully, the new system is half baked and completely flawed. Use an unsupported browser (ie. Safari, Chrome, Opera) and things just start heading south.

In which way? I don't have any problems with IE or chrome.

[ManagerJosh]

Not even the new attachment system?

Respectfully, the new system is half baked and completely flawed. Use an unsupported browser (ie. Safari, Chrome, Opera) and things just start heading south.

[Lionel]

I have yet to see a list of features in vBulletin 4 Forum not present in vB3.8.6.

Not even the new attachment system?

[Ramsesx]

I have yet to see a list of features in vBulletin 4 Forum not present in vB3.8.6.

Ajax quickreply and facebook buttons. That's the list.

[Lionel]

Lionel, can you elaborate on the changes in vB 4.0.4 as to compared to vB 4.0.0 that made all of your scripts benefit so tremendously?

I don't work for vB and I am not about to sing any praises. (In fact I am also geared to start development for xenforo). Just look at the bug fixes and you'll get some answers.
At 4.0 I had to switch to jQuery for many reasons. 4.0.4 had me revert to vB functions and to create my own javascript.

[feldon23]

All my scripts tremendously beneficiated from vB4.0.4

I have yet to see a list of features in vBulletin 4 Forum not present in vB3.8.6.

[feldon23]

A blog ? Not available.

I'm not interested in a XenForo blog. I appreciate the effort that went into it, but the vBulletin blog will never have access to the thousands of plugins and themes available for Wordpress. Even if the vBulletin Blog were pitch-perfect and feature comparable to Wordpress, it would still be a huge compromise.

Profile fields? I did not see so much in this area.

You haven't seen the back end.

Currently, it's nothing IB or IPB should worry about at all.

"It's just a few Indians." - Custer

[AlexanderT]

Lionel, can you elaborate on the changes in vB 4.0.4 as to compared to vB 4.0.0 that made all of your scripts benefit so tremendously?

[Lionel]

Do those rants have merit, however?

I was among those to be very upset with 4.0. I am a developer and I can tell you that as far as I am concerned, 4.0.4 put vB back on the map. In fact I am really impressed with the amount of flexibility that I now have. All my scripts tremendously beneficiated from vB4.0.4

Granted some bugs remained. But what do you expect from over hundreds of thousands lines of code?

[ManagerJosh]

People will never be happy. It's just a matter to see xenforo available to start seeing all kind of rants about it.

Do those rants have merit, however?

[Lionel]

People will never be happy. It's just a matter to see xenforo available to start seeing all kind of rants about it.

[feldon23]

This is too little to late and I feel it's just sore grapes on Kier and Mikes part. I wish them well, but, in all honesty I doubt that they will be as successful as IPB or IB. That ship sailed long ago. The time was right for UBB to be toppled. vBulletin 4 as bad as it is still the market leader. The only real competitor to that throne is IPB.

vBulletin 4 is what it is because motivated people who have always delivered a rock-solid product (even if it didn't always have all the feature bloat people begged for) were prevented from doing what needed to be done -- refactoring the product and producing a from-the-ground up vBulletin 4.

The fact that XenForo at 10 months development already adds more features and has shown a powerful, optimized, flexible architecture not present in vBulletin 4 despite 18 months development, should be apparent.

As a platform, vBulletin 4 does not foster communication or integration with other products (Wordpress, Joomla, etc.) or allow any other user login systems. vBulletin 4 is a bear to style. vBulletin 4 is very much a sealed box, so the vBulletin team must deliver EVERYTHING.

As a platform, XenForo is being built open, with a replaceable user login system, a crisp, flexible style that fully leverages CSS, and a node-based content system that will allow content types such as blogs, pages, etc. to be added extremely quickly. As a result, XenForo will become successful not in spite of the third party developer community, but because of it.

I'm sorry that all you see is vB4/IB complainers now brown-nosing Kier. That's your perspective, and you're welcome to it, but don't be surprised when we say "I told you so."