Former vBulletin lead developer Kier Darby to develop new forum software?

[Lionel]

I really think that vb will go the jquery route sooner than we all think. For one, it will fix the comma issue finally.

virtually every IE issue has a solution with jQuery.

[Removed-836727]

I really think that vb will go the jquery route sooner than we all think. For one, it will fix the comma issue finally.

I hope this too.
Now where it's providen in the package (because of the style generator) they could try to refactore the JS Code too.

[Boofo]

I really think that vb will go the jquery route sooner than we all think. For one, it will fix the comma issue finally.

[Regs]

Remember it's the same developers that have us "stuck" here with the yahoo library.

Never really understood that choice but hoping real hard that vB5 switches it out for jquery.

[Lionel]

How can you judge a forum software by its choice of javascript library?

I am not judging. I said I like.

[AlexanderT]

I like what I see with xenForo, mostly because they adopted the jQuery model which in my opinion is more powerful than the Yahoo one. But they still have long way to go.

How can you judge a forum software by its choice of javascript library?

[Lionel]

Alfa1, the ones that come to mind: I have 2 nice products. In 3.8.0 they required multiple file edits due to the fact that there were no hooks. Still there are no hooks, but with new attachment system all those file edits are no longer necessary

In my support system, I am able to upload files using new attachment system (incorporating it) with just 3 lines of code.

My review system now barely adds one or two queries in showthread.

Tabs and lightbox can be used anywhere. Lightbox no longer requires that you use attachment.php (you can trick it) and Tabs could be applied anywhere. In fact I am currently having a ball with it with a greeting cards script.

Soon I will be creating my own contenttype for another major script. Once you do, then your script is not just part of vB, it becomes vB

Believe me. When 4.0 came out I had stopped developing for vB and switched to IPB and started to renamed all my scripts, removing vb. vBcart became iCart for example. When 4.0.4 came out, I dropped IPB real fast. The time it takes me to create a script is 75% faster now.

And I also see an increase in customers using 4.0.4

I encountered numerous problems. But most of them came from IE. All had workaround.

Is vB perfect? No! But show me one script which is.

From the very beginning, I saw that they were heading the Joomla way.

I like what I see with xenForo, mostly because they adopted the jQuery model which in my opinion is more powerful than the Yahoo one. But they still have long way to go.

Eventually, once they start adding features to it, it will be years to see it becoming mature.

[Alfa1]

I was among those to be very upset with 4.0. I am a developer and I can tell you that as far as I am concerned, 4.0.4 put vB back on the map. In fact I am really impressed with the amount of flexibility that I now have. All my scripts tremendously beneficiated from vB4.0.4

Granted some bugs remained. But what do you expect from over hundreds of thousands lines of code?

Could you please expand some more on how your scripts have tremendously benfited from vb4.0.4 when comparing it to vb3.8?
There where about 2.100 open bugs in vb4.04, of which 1.600 confirmed. Do you think that's a solid basis to build upon?
The reason I ask is that I am still trying to make sense out of the current situation and decide which platform I will start developing extensive addons on. (For my own site and devs will be hired) As it stands this is likely to be vb3.8, but if vb4.x will be a reasonable option in this year, then I might opt for that. Though I am not expecting that.

[WhatChaMissin]

You prefer "we'll have a product" six months after we get intimately familiar with your wallet?

LOL. Hey at least its honest

[Alfa1]

Those six months have passed long ago. The product is still bug ridden. 4.1 will be the first release that is no functionality downgrade from 3.8. Its likely to become 12 months after release, before we have a gold vb4 product.

[feldon23]

I would add to your list, COST. With all the "I'll pay whatever" posts over at XF it could be possible that they overprice it. Additionally, I'm not a fan of the "we'll have a price" once we get closer to release method.

You prefer "we'll have a product" six months after we get intimately familiar with your wallet?

[WhatChaMissin]

Very valid point AWS... xenforo has not earnt a thing yet, it only has a small following based on what can be seen. Only time will tell whether the product will become a significant player or not by its quality and features, ability to operate under various server conditions and load, which in essence have not been tested at this point.

I would add to your list, COST. With all the "I'll pay whatever" posts over at XF it could be possible that they overprice it. Additionally, I'm not a fan of the "we'll have a price" once we get closer to release method.

[anthonyparsons]

Very valid point AWS... xenforo has not earnt a thing yet, it only has a small following based on what can be seen. Only time will tell whether the product will become a significant player or not by its quality and features, ability to operate under various server conditions and load, which in essence have not been tested at this point. VB & IPB have years of proven history and backing... something that every new software must earn, and cannot just be given beyond the handful of followers that tend to flock upon anything new. Not many after buying iphone4 where singing in praise for long... but they had to have it now, now, now. New product that was purchased on existing history, which failed.... just like 4.x based on prior versions. No doubt recovery is imminent.

[ManagerJosh]

10 months in development and has more features? Am I missing the CMS, Blog or albums? Sure I see talk of all that and more. I also hear it's going to be so extensible you'll be able to plug in other software with only a couple lines of code. Has anyone seen this miracle code yet or are you going by what you are being told or by looking at the 7 second long videos?

Let's presume xenForo was intended to be a vBulletin rewrite. From where I stand, I see almost everything inside a core vBulletin 4 forum installation (not suite), and more . We can't compare the vBulletin 4 suite to the current xenForo setup because it is like comparing apples to oranges. Later on, we probably can.

[AWS]

vBulletin 4 is what it is because motivated people who have always delivered a rock-solid product (even if it didn't always have all the feature bloat people begged for) were prevented from doing what needed to be done -- refactoring the product and producing a from-the-ground up vBulletin 4.

The fact that XenForo at 10 months development already adds more features and has shown a powerful, optimized, flexible architecture not present in vBulletin 4 despite 18 months development, should be apparent.

As a platform, vBulletin 4 does not foster communication or integration with other products (Wordpress, Joomla, etc.) or allow any other user login systems. vBulletin 4 is a bear to style. vBulletin 4 is very much a sealed box, so the vBulletin team must deliver EVERYTHING.

As a platform, XenForo is being built open, with a replaceable user login system, a crisp, flexible style that fully leverages CSS, and a node-based content system that will allow content types such as blogs, pages, etc. to be added extremely quickly. As a result, XenForo will become successful not in spite of the third party developer community, but because of it.

I'm sorry that all you see is vB4/IB complainers now brown-nosing Kier. That's your perspective, and you're welcome to it, but don't be surprised when we say "I told you so."

10 months in development and has more features? Am I missing the CMS, Blog or albums? Sure I see talk of all that and more. I also hear it's going to be so extensible you'll be able to plug in other software with only a couple lines of code. Has anyone seen this miracle code yet or are you going by what you are being told or by looking at the 7 second long videos?