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  • cmeinck
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    His new software is exactly what I was hoping for in vB4. It's fresh, fast and appears light. I'll be keeping an eye on it. One thing I've learned from my jump to vB4 is to wait. I'm sticking with vB for the immediate future.

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  • WhatChaMissin
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    ... Nevermind.

    Please continue...

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  • ManagerJosh
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    Originally posted by borbole View Post
    I agree and I don''t underestimate any customers. Maybe I did not express myself well. What I meant are those users that complain all the time without being constructive
    Quite a few people have been constructive. However, it seems like all the comments, suggestions and recommendations have made have fallen through the cracks in the Internet Brands Corporate Bureaucracy. vBulletin 4 is fast becoming the textbook example in Business 101 of "what not to do".

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  • borbole
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    Originally posted by ManagerJosh View Post
    Much of us who are "unsatisfied" have pretty much stopped posting, and a significant number have left, and even moved onto other alternative solutions




    I think you underestimate those customers. Those people that express their dissatisfaction with the product are ones who hold a significant amount of influence community wise.
    I agree and I don''t underestimate any customers. Maybe I did not express myself well. What I meant are those users that complain all the time without being constructive

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  • ManagerJosh
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    Originally posted by borbole View Post
    Let me tell you this, IB would not be what is it if it did not have good business sense, wouldn''t you say? Personally I have great faith in IB and vb.

    And those long time unsatisfied customers are not that plenty, only a handful of them from what I have seen so far here. And it is a fact that you can not satisfy everyone
    Much of us who are "unsatisfied" have pretty much stopped posting, and a significant number have left, and even moved onto other alternative solutions


    Originally posted by borbole View Post
    I said from what I have seen it doesn''t look plenty to me. Just a bunch of people that express their dis-satisfaction and hate for vb all the time and in almost all the threads. I wouldn''t call those users the majority of the customers. They might be old timers but they definitely don''t represnt the majority of the customers.
    I think you underestimate those customers. Those people that express their dissatisfaction with the product are ones who hold a significant amount of influence community wise.

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  • borbole
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    Originally posted by Reeve of Shinra View Post
    and those long time unsatisfied customers are not that plenty

    What? The licensed feedback forum is filled (95% at least) with complaints and issues about the product.
    I said from what I have seen it doesn''t look plenty to me. Just a bunch of people that express their dis-satisfaction and hate for vb all the time and in almost all the threads. I wouldn''t call those users the majority of the customers. They might be old timers but they definitely don''t represnt the majority of the customers.

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  • Nick
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    Originally posted by borbole View Post
    Let me tell you this, IB would not be what is it if it did not have good business sense, wouldn''t you say? Personally I have great faith in IB and vb.

    And those long time unsatisfied customers are not that plenty, only a handful of them from what I have seen so far here. And it is a fact that you can not satisfy everyone
    Unless this is a second account of yours, you've only been around since February. Many of us unsatisfied customers have been long gone since before February.

    The count of unsatisfied customers is in fact plenty. You don't see most of us posting anymore because it's a lost cause. IB has demonstrated that they don't care. They are going to do whatever they want to do, regardless of how the customers feel, how the customers react, or what the customers say. So why waste my time and energy expressing concerns for the product?

    I feel bad for those of you who are so naive of IB.

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  • Reeve of Shinra
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    and those long time unsatisfied customers are not that plenty

    What? The licensed feedback forum is filled (95% at least) with complaints and issues about the product.

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  • borbole
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    Originally posted by AlexanderT View Post
    You know, this is maybe the way they think, too (although I'd like to know based on what you define "better"). Fine with me. If I ran this business, however, hypothetically speaking, I'd be very worried if I saw "old dogs", i.e. long-time customers, making (or announcing) the switch to an alternative forum platform after expressing their unhappiness with vB.
    Let me tell you this, IB would not be what is it if it did not have good business sense, wouldn''t you say? Personally I have great faith in IB and vb.

    And those long time unsatisfied customers are not that plenty, only a handful of them from what I have seen so far here. And it is a fact that you can not satisfy everyone

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  • AlexanderT
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    Originally posted by borbole View Post
    And the way I see it, IB has no reason to worry. vB is a very established platform and it is getting better and better with each version.
    You know, this is maybe the way they think, too (although I'd like to know based on what you define "better"). Fine with me. If I ran this business, however, hypothetically speaking, I'd be very worried if I saw "old dogs", i.e. long-time customers, making (or announcing) the switch to an alternative forum platform after expressing their unhappiness with vB.

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  • borbole
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    Originally posted by AlexanderT View Post
    And sure they don't. Is there anything or has there ever been anything they have to worry about? IB sure doesn't show any worry.
    And the way I see it, IB has no reason to worry. vB is a very established platform and it is getting better and better with each version.

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  • Ramsesx
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    Originally posted by dieKetzer View Post
    im not sold on xenforo yet.
    i still have vivid memories of the kier days of vb3, the lack of communication, resistance to feedback, the stagnation... many of the things people complain about, such as the compartmentalisation of vb, overblown permissions, convoluted admincp, etc, predate IB. i think IBs ham-fisted management has made the old devs into christ figures, but my memory isnt nearly so kind.
    Don't forget sometimes it makes a difference if you are just employed or run your own business.

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  • dieKetzer
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    im not sold on xenforo yet.
    i still have vivid memories of the kier days of vb3, the lack of communication, resistance to feedback, the stagnation... many of the things people complain about, such as the compartmentalisation of vb, overblown permissions, convoluted admincp, etc, predate IB. i think IBs ham-fisted management has made the old devs into christ figures, but my memory isnt nearly so kind.
    reading over xenforo, it seems kier and co are again taking the stance they they know better what my communities want, in effect managing by proxy. it appears many things are done in a way simply to make them different; changes for the sake of change. i am having a hard time with that. imo if an upstart wants to knock vb off its perch it needs to create the board vb users have been begging for for years. the guys at xenforo should know what that board is, if they had ever paid attention. instead they are trying to reinvent the wheel.
    i will def keep one foot in the water over there, but i reckon my future is at ipb.

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  • wii
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    Great what Kier has done so far, but I think it will be extremely difficult for a brand new forum software to compete with forum software like vBulletin that has existed for 10 years.

    But I will definately try it out when the software is released...

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  • MRGTB
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    Originally posted by Bram View Post
    So far i am impressed, really impressed. XenForo is what vb 4 should have been in the first place? At least it looks like it. It loads fast, layout is easy and understandable for users. The moment vBSEO decides to develop an advanced XenSEO system for it I am sold

    Exciting times !!!
    From what I saw looking at the Friendly URL Structure on XenForo, it does not need vBSEO. Example below taken from the site, take note it also includes the Thread ID at the end.

    Code:
    http://xenforo.com/community/threads/plans-for-mods.746/

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