Can programming really be so cheap?

[Baba Wawa]

An ad for this site - Affordable Programmers - popped up in my Gmail account.

$10 an hour, supposedly for programmers located in North America? How could that be possible? Especially after the company takes its bite?

[Dilly]

I'd imagine code quality would be so bad noone else would ever touch it.

[Shadab]

It's funny when these programming / web-development sites can't even validate their own sites.
[ http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=ht...ogrammers.com/ ]

[hitmancode47]

They are hiring programmers at ten dollars per hour?

I can see that being a good business.. (Joke)

[Cole2026]

Look at the html right on their company page. They're ten dollars an hour for a reason.

Talk about ugly.

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[cheat-master30]

This is one of their sites, and it gave ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY errors in the HTML Validator:

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.furnituresearcher.com%2F&charset=(detect+automatically)&doctype =Inline&group=0&user-agent=W3C_Validator%2F1.654

Considering the general cheesiness and 90s style of the whole thing, it's pretty obvious why they'd only charge $10 an hour.

Edit: In case anyone was wondering what that had to do with the topic, the site linked above is their first site listed on this page:

http://affordableprogrammers.com/database.php

[Wayne Luke]

I can say right now that the average business person doesn't care about HTML validation, W3C Recommendations or Standards. They want a website up yesterday. As long as it looks halfway okay, the rest is gravy. These people will also pay as little as possible to get the job done.

Why do you think that Microsoft Frontpage is still being used today, even though Microsoft discontinued it 2 years ago.

[hitmancode47]

I can say right now that the average business person doesn't care about HTML validation, W3C Recommendations or Standards. They want a website up yesterday. As long as it looks halfway okay, the rest is gravy. These people will also pay as little as possible to get the job done.

Why do you think that Microsoft Frontpage is still being used today, even though Microsoft discontinued it 2 years ago.

Coulden't agree more, people need to stop worrying abotu quantity and start worrying about quality.

[Floris]

If THEY contact YOU .. ignore the email.

If YOU are asking to be contacted, review it.


everything you didn't ask for = spam, zero tolerance.

[Mazinger]

I actually have a problem understanding how pay-per-hour work is done. Do people hold a stopwatch counting time and not letting hired ones waste a second?

Another point, I find $10 per hour is an excellent income I would dream of one day. Normal jobs in my country doesn't even pay $1 per hour.

[cheat-master30]

I can say right now that the average business person doesn't care about HTML validation, W3C Recommendations or Standards. They want a website up yesterday. As long as it looks halfway okay, the rest is gravy. These people will also pay as little as possible to get the job done.

Why do you think that Microsoft Frontpage is still being used today, even though Microsoft discontinued it 2 years ago.

Considering I've read some sites they've designed use broken javascript and barely work, I'd say that's rather different than a few minor HTML validation errors. And Frontpage is used because many people are lazy and don't bother to update programs from those years gone by. How many people are still using year 2000 versions or earlier of Microsoft programs? Probably a lot.

[Baba Wawa]

If THEY contact YOU .. ignore the email.

If YOU are asking to be contacted, review it.


everything you didn't ask for = spam, zero tolerance.

Agreed. But this was not an actual email. It was just one of those little ads that Gmail sells to finance its service. I clicked on it just out of curiosity. They didn't actually send me anything.

[Baba Wawa]

I actually have a problem understanding how pay-per-hour work is done. Do people hold a stopwatch counting time and not letting hired ones waste a second?

I don't think anyone actually uses a stopwatch.

I suppose you write down the time that you start, and then the time that you finish. If it took 2.5 hours, then these guys would charge $25 for the job.

Another point, I find $10 per hour is an excellent income I would dream of one day. Normal jobs in my country doesn't even pay $1 per hour.

$10 an hour in Canada or the US would not give you much of a living. At least, not as compared with the standard of living in general.

[Floris]

Agreed. But this was not an actual email. It was just one of those little ads that Gmail sells to finance its service. I clicked on it just out of curiosity. They didn't actually send me anything.

That's the same, in my eyes.

[DoE]

An ad for this site - Affordable Programmers - popped up in my Gmail account.

$10 an hour, supposedly for programmers located in North America? How could that be possible? Especially after the company takes its bite?

Because they are not charging $10.00 an hour, If you host your site with them at $79.95 a month, and get them to build it at a certain price.... you see how it is adding up. They will maintain it for you at $10.00 an hour though, billed weekly to a credit card of course. Sheesh.