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  • Glitch
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    Originally posted by JB007

    Yes, we DO have the right to take your land for simple reason: It's not yours and won't be yours.
    If you are not careful, you can end up a citizen of your own land but under US control if your tribal wars do not stop screwing with the US having the ability to purchase oil... It is in the interest of the US to purchase the oil because that is what is right, but if you all keep screwing up, the US will lose patience and either move in with NATO everywhere or to turn the place to glass... After the fall of the WTC, I don't believe they will "screw around" with your region much longer...


    Originally posted by JB007
    Well, before the sad year of 1947 , Palastain was for muslims.
    Jews took the land because they were ( and are still ) controlling the economy of all the western nations.
    No one controls the economy in "The West", that is part of our freedom... The US Gov't has the ability to lower the fed to inspire trade, that is all, the economy depends entirely on what the people do...

    The US is growing tired of the complications of your so called "wars"... You will be lucky to avoid being treated as 4 year old kids that can't get along...

    If asked by NATO to defend a NATO recognised country, it will happen, this is part of an evolved world that has somehow passed you by, screwing with a NATO country will result in world war, no one to blame but yourselves when this happens...

    Glitch

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  • JB007
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    thwitt,
    You're right, however Israelites didn't live there more than 100 years and that was thousands of years ago. While muslims lived in there for more than one thousand years. So who has the right to live there?

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  • thewitt
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    Originally posted by JB007
    Well, before the sad year of 1947 , Palastain was for muslims.
    Jews took the land because they were ( and are still ) controlling the economy of all the western nations.
    As I've said many times, and you continue to ignore, you are simply changing the date of occupation to a date of convenience.

    Well before the lands known collectively as Palestine were for mulsims as you say, they were for Canaanites, and Israelites. The kingdom's of Israel and Judah were the first major religious divisions of land in the area. Of course, the lands were conquered and held by nearly a dozen people between then and now. The U.N. took this into account when creating the nation state of Israel. Last time I looked, the U.N. was NOT the U.S., though people outside of the U.S. often mistake them for one in the same.

    Pick the date that rationalizes your viewpoint, and stick by it. It's no less credible than any of your other arguments.

    -t

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  • JB007
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    FireFly, We do have rights, but tell me one reason for your rights in palastain.
    Second, if you were not controlling the world, then you wouldn't recieve billions of dollars each year from the west to help you kill and destroy, Plus, the taxes in the united states won't be sent to you.

    Suggestion:
    Read "Silent No More" by Paul Findley.

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  • Skeptical
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    No taking over it will only make neighboring Muslims to hate us even more. I suggest we turn it into "Lake" Afghanistan, for the surrounding countries to use for crops and survival.

    Just kidding.

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  • Chen
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    Originally posted by JB007
    Well, before the sad year of 1947 , Palastain was for muslims.
    Jews took the land because they were ( and are still ) controlling the economy of all the western nations.
    So you agree with have all of the rights to live/be/exist/ in this land. Thank you very much, and good night.

    (LOL that post was so funny. We contorl the world. Hahahaha, I wish! )

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  • JB007
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    Well, before the sad year of 1947 , Palastain was for muslims.
    Jews took the land because they were ( and are still ) controlling the economy of all the western nations.

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  • Chen
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    Originally posted by JB007
    Yes, we DO have the right to take your land for simple reason: It's not yours and won't be yours.
    May I remind you that in the great year of 1947, November 29th to be exact, the U.N specifically gave us the right to build a country in the land of Palestine.

    You DO care about the U.N, don't you?

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  • JB007
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    All Israel wants is sovereignty Skep. Freedom to live in their country without the threat of attack from a dozen Muslim nations who believe they have the right to just TAKE the land. We helped to solidify Israel as its own state almost 60 years ago, so I don't see why our actions are confusing to people.
    Yes, we DO have the right to take your land for simple reason: It's not yours and won't be yours.

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  • Skeptical
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    In the end, sadly, I doubt this planet will last another 1,000 years. The advancement of technology is moving so fast it's already possible for one single person to destroy entire villages with biological/chemical weapons. All it takes is one successful terrorist. That's it.

    I majored in BioChemistry in college. I know how easy it is to do the above. In the end there's no good answer. Do we declare a police state on everyone? Do we deport ALL Middle Eastern people? I don't have the answers. I doubt anyone really does.

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  • Hooper
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    I like theWitt.

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  • OnFire
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    All Israel wants is sovereignty Skep. Freedom to live in their country without the threat of attack from a dozen Muslim nations who believe they have the right to just TAKE the land. We helped to solidify Israel as its own state almost 60 years ago, so I don't see why our actions are confusing to people.

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  • thewitt
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    Originally posted by Skeptical
    [clip]If not we should just butt out completely. Be like Canada. When have they been threatened recently?
    [clip]I'm merely saying, every country has their own sovereignty. Let's respect that more. If not, it can only destabilize world peace, sooner or later... unless we're ready to take over the entire planet.
    Let's tease this one out a bit more with regards to Ossama bin Laden.

    Israel and the surrounding Arab tribes from many nations known generally as the Palestinians, have a problem with ownership of a particular region. Israel, a soverign nation, asks for our help. We have a treaty with them. We help. Should we stay out? Is it OK for the Arab nations who wish to destroy Israel to do so and for us to butt out completely? Whose problem is this, exactly? If you can ferret out the rightful ownership of the region through history with the Canaanites, Israelites, Ottoman turks, Persians, Greeks, Egyptians, Syrians, Romans all having lived there and occupied what is called Palestine since the Kingdoms of Judah and Israel, you are a better man than I. Stay out of the conflict? Who will occupy Palestine next? bin Laden believes Palestine belongs to the Muslims. He hates us for supporting Israel.

    Next step in the bin Laden portrait. Saddam invades Kuwait. Kuwait and Saudi Arabia ask for our help to kick him out and stabilize the region. Should we say no? It's not our fight, take care of it yourself? According to bin Laden, we defiled holy ground with this one, just by stepping on Saudi soil. Remember that Mecca is in Saudi Arabia and is the holy of holies for Islam. Now all Americans should die, children, women, military, political, it makes no difference.

    Who should help Kuwait, or any other nation, when a large aggressor nation decides to expand and annex them. No one? Let the most agressive nation on the earth simply take what they want? Can you say Hitler's Germany all over again? Is that the right answer?

    I'm afraid that butting out is not going to make the world a happy and safer place. We study history so that we do not repeat it. We make mistakes, but if we do not act, the world will be a much worse place - history tells us this is true.

    -t

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  • Skeptical
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    Originally posted by OnFire


    That is the most irresponsible and untrue statement you've made guy. Th US government does not force religion on ANYONE, including its own citizens. I really have no clue where are you getting this from, hell the US is a country of religious freedom, we have almost every practicing religion in this country in some form. Ridiculous statement.
    I misspoke on that one. It was late. I was sleepy. What I was trying to say was that we Americans seem to think our way is the only way. Often we're insensitive to the sovereignty of other countries. We butt into other people's business a bit too much. Much of that is for peace's sake, but I think it's time we become a bit more sensitive to others. If not we should just butt out completely. Be like Canada. When have they been threatened recently?

    Christianity and freedom of speech is one such thing. To us it makes perfect sense to have this freedom to preach and convert others, but other countries might not see it that way. That is their right. When Christian missionaries go running into other countries preaching underground (with our blessing might I add), it does piss off that country's leaders.

    You see, that's just my point. We think "what's wrong with people going in to another country to voice their own opinions and beliefs?" This idea of freedom of speech is so much a part of us we just don't realize other countries might not feel the same way.

    One recent example: some U.S. companies are trying to set up backdoors for Chinese citizens to get around their government censorship policies on the internet. The CIA (either them or another agency) has fully supported this. But the thing is, what can that do but harm our peaceful relationship with China?

    Now I am totally against censorship of any sort. That's not what I'm arguing about. I'm merely saying, every country has their own sovereignty. Let's respect that more. If not, it can only destabilize world peace, sooner or later... unless we're ready to take over the entire planet.
    Last edited by Skeptical; Tue 25 Sep '01, 11:17pm.

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  • Glitch
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    Originally posted by OnFire


    That is the most irresponsible and untrue statement you've made guy. Th US government does not force religion on ANYONE, including its own citizens. I really have no clue where are you getting this from, hell the US is a country of religious freedom, we have almost every practicing religion in this country in some form. Ridiculous statement.

    We do have some pretty high pressure sales people in several forms of christianity, I can remember running to put in the metallica cd when I saw the JW's comin down the street, sometimes they just don't take no for an answer... This could be happening overseas too and our gov't is taking the brunt of it...

    Glitch

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