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  • Creepshow
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    Originally posted by ---MAD--- View Post
    Thats why it should be made illegal (by banning it). Thats the point of this debate .
    You completely missed the point I was making.

    Think about it.

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  • ---MAD---
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    Originally posted by Creepshow View Post
    Yeah, well, smoking isn't illegal. So what's your point?
    Thats why it should be made illegal (by banning it). Thats the point of this debate .
    Originally posted by unitedpunjab View Post
    Just about everyone I know who smokes;took to smoking when they were well below 18,And now probably addicted for life.

    My two flat mates can't even answer 'Nature's Call' without a puff or two,mere thought of a 8-10 hour flight make them miserable.

    Its a very bad and addictive habit ,banning smoking altogether will be a big favor to the next generation.
    Exactly.

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  • Creepshow
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    Originally posted by the geek View Post
    While you're at it - ban cars because they produce far more poisonous pollutants than smoking. I shouldn't have to subjected to that! Walk or ride a bike!
    Precisely. Well-said.

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  • Creepshow
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    Originally posted by Dean C View Post
    So I should be prevented from going out and socialising with my friends just because I have a respiratory illness and they want to go to a "smoking" bar? Why not extend that chain of thought and make all shops/public places inaccesible to wheelchairs. There's a reason why it's illegal to make your workplace inaccessible to disabled people now, it's because we live in a civilised society where there is no excuse for making the disabled suffer.
    But surely if your friends cared for your wellbeing then they would make sure they went to a no-smoking bar?

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  • Creepshow
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    Originally posted by Dilly View Post
    Obviously comprehension isn't your strong point.

    I said in Australia it is an offense. I didn't say all smokers deliberately go around doing it to upset people.


    I have no problem with personal freedoms, i'm all for them - so long as they don't hurt anybody else. Smoking in a public place harms other people.
    First you call me a prat, then you proceed to tell me that "comprehension isn't my strong point".

    Sorry, but I can't take anyone seriously who resorts to petty childish insults to try and get their point across.

    I have no problem with personal freedoms
    Hogwash.

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  • Dean C
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    Originally posted by TruthElixirX View Post
    I have this crazy idea. Lets let the people who own and work in the restaurant decide what they wish to allow?

    I hardly find it fitting to use coercion to achieve the goal of forcing someone to do something. Why not just avoid places where it is allowed? If there is a large enough demand for it the market will produce smoke free places, there isn't a monopoly in the food market, as far as I can tell.

    You're forcing owners to do certain things in their business at the point of a gun.
    So I should be prevented from going out and socialising with my friends just because I have a respiratory illness and they want to go to a "smoking" bar? Why not extend that chain of thought and make all shops/public places inaccesible to wheelchairs. There's a reason why it's illegal to make your workplace inaccessible to disabled people now, it's because we live in a civilised society where there is no excuse for making the disabled suffer.

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  • Zachery
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    I'm not a smoker, nor do I generally hang around people who smoke heavily, but they have never bothered me.

    Alot of my family smokes, uncles, aunts, mom, cousins. I grew up around it, but of the most part they never smokes in other peoples faces. It doesn't bother me if someone wants to smoke in my car when I give them a ride, they just roll down the window. If i knew a bar/club/etc was heavily visited by smokers I'd find another place, same with with a resturant.

    I feel that it should be up to the owner if a bar/club/restraunt is or is not smoke free.

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  • the geek
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    While you're at it - ban cars because they produce far more poisonous pollutants than smoking. I shouldn't have to subjected to that! Walk or ride a bike!

    FWIW - I'm a non smoker (and a driver). But as was stated earlier, customers dictate what they want, aren't bothered about or strongly dislike. In the UK several non smoking pubs were already opening up before the ban was even discussed. Given enough time, commerce would have dictated instead of the government.

    Democracy versus dictatorship. Not really a challenge to understand is it?

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  • TruthElixirX
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    Originally posted by chaselafon View Post
    Do I mind people smoking in their own homes? No. But that's not the case is it - they're filling public places such as restaurants and movie theatre lobbies with toxic smoke that could harm the lungs of a child or another person who had no intention to smoke.

    Yes, these establishments have the ability to ban smoking, but what if they don't? Should people who do not smoke be subjected to this health hazard? I think not. I'm fine with allowing them to do it within their own homes, but doing it in public is selfish and harmful to other people.
    Originally posted by Dean C View Post
    Nick, you seem very angry. I'm guessing that you're a smoker. When I used to go to bars and clubs before the ban came into place I used to suffer breathing difficulties as smoke triggers my asthma. You are saying that I shouldn't have a social life because of a choice that others have made? There's not one bar or club in my city that is non-smoking. Remember smokers are a minority, why should you have the say over the majority?

    And please don't reply with sarcastic, aggressive posts as you'll only turn what could be an interesting discussion into a heated arguement which will get closed.
    Originally posted by chaselafon View Post
    Your first paragraph is incorrect. For one, I'm 14, so no I do not go to bars, and I don't plan to.

    Regardless, even at a resteraunt my brain cells aren't being destroyed by someone at my next table drinking, but if they were smoking then they would post a health hazard to everyone else in the resteraunt, which is simply unfair. It could also harm someone with immediate effects such as asthma.

    As the person above me stated, why should smokers gain a benefit over the majority. I, and I'm guessing many in this thread, agree that someone should have the right to personal pleasure if it's not harming anyone else.
    I have this crazy idea. Lets let the people who own and work in the restaurant decide what they wish to allow?

    I hardly find it fitting to use coercion to achieve the goal of forcing someone to do something. Why not just avoid places where it is allowed? If there is a large enough demand for it the market will produce smoke free places, there isn't a monopoly in the food market, as far as I can tell.

    You're forcing owners to do certain things in their business at the point of a gun.

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  • dodgeboard.com
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    Originally posted by Dilly View Post
    Keep the doors closed, and make a point of saying that the shop is full of carcinogen and it's fine with me.
    Agreed- Just like those signs that advertised "Microwave in Use", I think smoking establishments should post a sign or notice of some kind.

    Sounds like we have reached some common ground.

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  • Dilly
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    Keep the doors closed, and make a point of saying that the shop is full of carcinogen and it's fine with me.


    Anyway, I've made my point. Good luck with whatever it is you're trying to prove.

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  • dodgeboard.com
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    Who's property is that shop?

    Do you want to be able to regulate what goes on in your own home, to guests and your family?

    Why should it be any different for my business?

    I should be able to decide who I sell widgets to and how I operate my business. If I want to smoke, drink, eat, snort aspirin, listen to rap, or even light my hair on fire, I should be free to do so. I OWN THE PROPERTY!!

    Why should you be able to dictate to me how I should run my business? I'm not forcing you to shop here.

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  • Dilly
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    Uh, that's exactly my point, and the point of the whole thread. It shouldn't be allowed.

    If they were to walk onto your property and breathe your smoke, then it's their own fault. But I fail to see how walking through the shops and breathing smoke is the same thing?

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  • dodgeboard.com
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    Originally posted by Dilly View Post
    Obviously comprehension isn't your strong point.

    I said in Australia it is an offense. I didn't say all smokers deliberately go around doing it to upset people.


    I have no problem with personal freedoms, i'm all for them - so long as they don't hurt anybody else. Smoking in a public place harms other people.
    Those people have chosen to go into those places right? Places that they know allow smoking.

    If I walk out into the street and get hit by a car, it's my fault.

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  • Dilly
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    Whoa whoa whoa, if you think smokers go around deliberately blowing smoke in people's faces to upset them, then you are an ignorant prat.
    Obviously comprehension isn't your strong point.

    I said in Australia it is an offense. I didn't say all smokers deliberately go around doing it to upset people.


    I have no problem with personal freedoms, i'm all for them - so long as they don't hurt anybody else. Smoking in a public place harms other people.

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