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  • #46
    Originally posted by chaselafon View Post
    Do I mind people smoking in their own homes? No. But that's not the case is it - they're filling public places such as restaurants and movie theatre lobbies with toxic smoke that could harm the lungs of a child or another person who had no intention to smoke.

    Yes, these establishments have the ability to ban smoking, but what if they don't? Should people who do not smoke be subjected to this health hazard? I think not. I'm fine with allowing them to do it within their own homes, but doing it in public is selfish and harmful to other people.
    Originally posted by Dean C View Post
    Nick, you seem very angry. I'm guessing that you're a smoker. When I used to go to bars and clubs before the ban came into place I used to suffer breathing difficulties as smoke triggers my asthma. You are saying that I shouldn't have a social life because of a choice that others have made? There's not one bar or club in my city that is non-smoking. Remember smokers are a minority, why should you have the say over the majority?

    And please don't reply with sarcastic, aggressive posts as you'll only turn what could be an interesting discussion into a heated arguement which will get closed.
    Originally posted by chaselafon View Post
    Your first paragraph is incorrect. For one, I'm 14, so no I do not go to bars, and I don't plan to.

    Regardless, even at a resteraunt my brain cells aren't being destroyed by someone at my next table drinking, but if they were smoking then they would post a health hazard to everyone else in the resteraunt, which is simply unfair. It could also harm someone with immediate effects such as asthma.

    As the person above me stated, why should smokers gain a benefit over the majority. I, and I'm guessing many in this thread, agree that someone should have the right to personal pleasure if it's not harming anyone else.
    I have this crazy idea. Lets let the people who own and work in the restaurant decide what they wish to allow?

    I hardly find it fitting to use coercion to achieve the goal of forcing someone to do something. Why not just avoid places where it is allowed? If there is a large enough demand for it the market will produce smoke free places, there isn't a monopoly in the food market, as far as I can tell.

    You're forcing owners to do certain things in their business at the point of a gun.

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    • #47
      While you're at it - ban cars because they produce far more poisonous pollutants than smoking. I shouldn't have to subjected to that! Walk or ride a bike!

      FWIW - I'm a non smoker (and a driver). But as was stated earlier, customers dictate what they want, aren't bothered about or strongly dislike. In the UK several non smoking pubs were already opening up before the ban was even discussed. Given enough time, commerce would have dictated instead of the government.

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      • #48
        I'm not a smoker, nor do I generally hang around people who smoke heavily, but they have never bothered me.

        Alot of my family smokes, uncles, aunts, mom, cousins. I grew up around it, but of the most part they never smokes in other peoples faces. It doesn't bother me if someone wants to smoke in my car when I give them a ride, they just roll down the window. If i knew a bar/club/etc was heavily visited by smokers I'd find another place, same with with a resturant.

        I feel that it should be up to the owner if a bar/club/restraunt is or is not smoke free.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by TruthElixirX View Post
          I have this crazy idea. Lets let the people who own and work in the restaurant decide what they wish to allow?

          I hardly find it fitting to use coercion to achieve the goal of forcing someone to do something. Why not just avoid places where it is allowed? If there is a large enough demand for it the market will produce smoke free places, there isn't a monopoly in the food market, as far as I can tell.

          You're forcing owners to do certain things in their business at the point of a gun.
          So I should be prevented from going out and socialising with my friends just because I have a respiratory illness and they want to go to a "smoking" bar? Why not extend that chain of thought and make all shops/public places inaccesible to wheelchairs. There's a reason why it's illegal to make your workplace inaccessible to disabled people now, it's because we live in a civilised society where there is no excuse for making the disabled suffer.
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          • #50
            Originally posted by Dilly View Post
            Obviously comprehension isn't your strong point.

            I said in Australia it is an offense. I didn't say all smokers deliberately go around doing it to upset people.


            I have no problem with personal freedoms, i'm all for them - so long as they don't hurt anybody else. Smoking in a public place harms other people.
            First you call me a prat, then you proceed to tell me that "comprehension isn't my strong point".

            Sorry, but I can't take anyone seriously who resorts to petty childish insults to try and get their point across.

            I have no problem with personal freedoms
            Hogwash.
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            • #51
              Originally posted by Dean C View Post
              So I should be prevented from going out and socialising with my friends just because I have a respiratory illness and they want to go to a "smoking" bar? Why not extend that chain of thought and make all shops/public places inaccesible to wheelchairs. There's a reason why it's illegal to make your workplace inaccessible to disabled people now, it's because we live in a civilised society where there is no excuse for making the disabled suffer.
              But surely if your friends cared for your wellbeing then they would make sure they went to a no-smoking bar?
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              • #52
                Originally posted by the geek View Post
                While you're at it - ban cars because they produce far more poisonous pollutants than smoking. I shouldn't have to subjected to that! Walk or ride a bike!
                Precisely. Well-said.
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Creepshow View Post
                  Yeah, well, smoking isn't illegal. So what's your point?
                  Thats why it should be made illegal (by banning it). Thats the point of this debate .
                  Originally posted by unitedpunjab View Post
                  Just about everyone I know who smokes;took to smoking when they were well below 18,And now probably addicted for life.

                  My two flat mates can't even answer 'Nature's Call' without a puff or two,mere thought of a 8-10 hour flight make them miserable.

                  Its a very bad and addictive habit ,banning smoking altogether will be a big favor to the next generation.
                  Exactly.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by ---MAD--- View Post
                    Thats why it should be made illegal (by banning it). Thats the point of this debate .
                    You completely missed the point I was making.

                    Think about it.
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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Creepshow View Post
                      But surely if your friends cared for your wellbeing then they would make sure they went to a no-smoking bar?
                      True, but sometimes the social situation over-rides personal choice
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                      • #56
                        Dean,

                        Just earlier in your post you said you would be "forced" to go into a bar where there is smoke, though I really don't consider that "forced". You place a lot of emphasis on that word- "forced"

                        Yet, you are easily willing to "force" all business owners to do things your way by taking away their right to decide. And you are completely comfortable with "forcing" smokers to do things your way.

                        Hypocrite!

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by dodgeboard.com View Post
                          Dean,

                          Just earlier in your post you said you would be "forced" to go into a bar where there is smoke, though I really don't consider that "forced". You place a lot of emphasis on that word- "forced"

                          Yet, you are easily willing to "force" all business owners to do things your way by taking away their right to decide. And you are completely comfortable with "forcing" smokers to do things your way.

                          Hypocrite!
                          By forced I mean I would be a total recluse if I didn't go to these bars and clubs. My friends smoke. I don't choose my friends based upon how they live their lives. I choose my friends because I have a connection with them. If I didn't go to the bars and clubs, and engage in average social situations, I wouldn't have friends And quit the name calling. Grow up.
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                          • #58
                            By forced I mean I would be a total recluse if I didn't go to these bars and clubs. My friends smoke. I don't choose my friends based upon how they live their lives. I choose my friends because I have a connection with them. If I didn't go to the bars and clubs, and engage in average social situations, I wouldn't have friends And quit the name calling. Grow up.

                            Dean Dean Dean Dean Dean....

                            You've already made up your mind on this issue because you hate smoking and the smell of smoke. For you, it has nothing to do with liberty, freedom and government regulation over your life.

                            And since you personally have nothing to lose by this encroachment on our liberties, you are perfectly fine with having it trampled.

                            You wont ***** until its one of your habits in the cross hairs. I'm afraid to tell you Dean, that is the epitome of hypocritical, selfishness.

                            Not name-calling, just giving it to you straight, buddy.

                            Does your perspective account for the good of a free society? Just count how many times you used the word "I" in your post
                            Last edited by dodgeboard.com; Sun 13 Jan '08, 7:41am.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by dodgeboard.com View Post
                              Dean Dean Dean Dean Dean....

                              You've already made up your mind on this issue because you hate smoking and the smell of smoke. For you, it has nothing to do with liberty, freedom and government regulation over your life.

                              And since you personally have nothing to lose by this encroachment on our liberties, you are perfectly fine with having it trampled.

                              You wont ***** until its one of your habits in the cross hairs. I'm afraid to tell you Dean, that is the epitome of hypocritical, selfishness.

                              Not name-calling, just giving it to you straight, buddy.

                              Does your perspective account for the good of a free society? Just count how many times you used the word "I" in your post
                              I've been stupid enough to smoke for a few months in the past. Right about the time the public smoking ban came in to place, so I've sat on both sites of the fence "buddy". I've had my right to smoke indoors with my friends taken away. I know what it feels like. So don't call me a hypocrite
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                              • #60
                                OK, I wont...but I would be a hypocrite, if I thought like you.

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