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  • Creepshow
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    Originally posted by Weapon-x View Post
    Because its so exciting to do something "illegal"
    Exactly right.

    And I would also like to point out that bans usually do more harm than good for precisely this reason.

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  • Weapon-x
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    Well they CAN ban smoking in public area's but they can't ban smoking for everyone.

    Because of the fact that "It's peoples choice to smoke" and if they banned it people are going to DO it. Just like teens and alcohol. Everyone here has drank beer before the age of 21! Because its so exciting to do something "illegal"

    I think people who are in a NO smoking area shouldn't be smoking and hurting other peoples health.

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  • Creepshow
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    Originally posted by Techguy1 View Post
    First of all, I replied "No". Second, I am a non-smoker.

    I am from Canada, but for the last 7 years (on and off, and solidly from 2004) have been living in the UK. I still cannot come to terms with excessive legislation of people's lifestyles in the UK. People aren't allowed to think for themselves anymore.

    I think I would much rather allow individual establishments (eg pub, club, restaurant) to determine their smoking habits. Customers will then "vote" with their feet and go where they want. I would choose the non-smoking establishment, but I am not going to push my views on others (at least in this instance )
    Hooray, another sensible person!

    Thank you, Techguy1!

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  • TruthElixirX
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    Originally posted by MrNase View Post
    In English? Tough task, may I reply in German?

    There should be not doubt that smoking is dangerous to you and your surroundings. It's ok when you face the effects of smoking because it's your life and your health but you can't ignore other people's health.

    One might say that non-smokers could just stay away from smokers but that thinking goes in the wrong direction because the non-smoker don't do anything wrong, why should they relent?

    Personally, I enjoy my lunch in a room not filled with smoke but I am not against smoking in general.
    Every person must act as he/she sees fit but I am pissed off by smokers that polute the environment regardless of the consequences.

    Always think about this: YOU are the addict, YOU have to consider other persons.
    Is this lunch room a place where you are employed? Are you forced to go to this particular room? If you work at an establishment (NOT a restaurant or a bar) and they have a cafeteria you are are forced to eat in that allows people to smoke I'd say you have a case, sort of.


    I don't think people should be allowed to smoke at parks, sidewalks, etc. Those are public places owned by the community. The local pub is NOT your property, it is the property of the owner who gained the capitol to make it.


    What if the government came in and told JelSoft their product had to be 100% workable for a blind person? If their friends go to a bulletin board using vBulletin and it uses a captcha to keep people from registering, are they infringing on the right of the blind person to use their site?

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  • Techguy1
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    First of all, I replied "No". Second, I am a non-smoker.

    I am from Canada, but for the last 7 years (on and off, and solidly from 2004) have been living in the UK. I still cannot come to terms with excessive legislation of people's lifestyles in the UK. People aren't allowed to think for themselves anymore.

    I think I would much rather allow individual establishments (eg pub, club, restaurant) to determine their smoking habits. Customers will then "vote" with their feet and go where they want. I would choose the non-smoking establishment, but I am not going to push my views on others (at least in this instance )

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  • Creepshow
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    Originally posted by MrNase View Post
    the non-smoker don't do anything wrong, why should they relent?
    But smokers are doing something wrong? Is that what you're saying?

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  • MrNase
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    In English? Tough task, may I reply in German?

    There should be not doubt that smoking is dangerous to you and your surroundings. It's ok when you face the effects of smoking because it's your life and your health but you can't ignore other people's health.

    One might say that non-smokers could just stay away from smokers but that thinking goes in the wrong direction because the non-smoker don't do anything wrong, why should they relent?

    Personally, I enjoy my lunch in a room not filled with smoke but I am not against smoking in general.
    Every person must act as he/she sees fit but I am pissed off by smokers that polute the environment regardless of the consequences.

    Always think about this: YOU are the addict, YOU have to consider other persons.

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  • JakeS
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    Can someone give me a reason in this topic as of why to ban smoking in public places or ban it totally without saying the words "I" "I've" "I Need" "Because of my condition" "Because of 1 persons condition" "my" "Mine" "myn" "me" "health" "unhealthy" "healthy" in english?

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  • TruthElixirX
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    Originally posted by Dean C View Post
    So I should be prevented from going out and socialising with my friends just because I have a respiratory illness and they want to go to a "smoking" bar? Why not extend that chain of thought and make all shops/public places inaccesible to wheelchairs. There's a reason why it's illegal to make your workplace inaccessible to disabled people now, it's because we live in a civilised society where there is no excuse for making the disabled suffer.
    Get friends that don't suck and are aware of your disabilities. Why do you hang out with smokers if it bothers you?

    You wouldn't have friends if we didn't ban smoking? Wow. So your friendship rests on forcing people to do things to accommodate you?

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  • dodgeboard.com
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    OK, I wont...but I would be a hypocrite, if I thought like you.

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  • Dean C
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    Originally posted by dodgeboard.com View Post
    Dean Dean Dean Dean Dean....

    You've already made up your mind on this issue because you hate smoking and the smell of smoke. For you, it has nothing to do with liberty, freedom and government regulation over your life.

    And since you personally have nothing to lose by this encroachment on our liberties, you are perfectly fine with having it trampled.

    You wont ***** until its one of your habits in the cross hairs. I'm afraid to tell you Dean, that is the epitome of hypocritical, selfishness.

    Not name-calling, just giving it to you straight, buddy.

    Does your perspective account for the good of a free society? Just count how many times you used the word "I" in your post
    I've been stupid enough to smoke for a few months in the past. Right about the time the public smoking ban came in to place, so I've sat on both sites of the fence "buddy". I've had my right to smoke indoors with my friends taken away. I know what it feels like. So don't call me a hypocrite

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  • dodgeboard.com
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    By forced I mean I would be a total recluse if I didn't go to these bars and clubs. My friends smoke. I don't choose my friends based upon how they live their lives. I choose my friends because I have a connection with them. If I didn't go to the bars and clubs, and engage in average social situations, I wouldn't have friends And quit the name calling. Grow up.

    Dean Dean Dean Dean Dean....

    You've already made up your mind on this issue because you hate smoking and the smell of smoke. For you, it has nothing to do with liberty, freedom and government regulation over your life.

    And since you personally have nothing to lose by this encroachment on our liberties, you are perfectly fine with having it trampled.

    You wont ***** until its one of your habits in the cross hairs. I'm afraid to tell you Dean, that is the epitome of hypocritical, selfishness.

    Not name-calling, just giving it to you straight, buddy.

    Does your perspective account for the good of a free society? Just count how many times you used the word "I" in your post
    Last edited by dodgeboard.com; Sun 13 Jan '08, 7:41am.

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  • Dean C
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    Originally posted by dodgeboard.com View Post
    Dean,

    Just earlier in your post you said you would be "forced" to go into a bar where there is smoke, though I really don't consider that "forced". You place a lot of emphasis on that word- "forced"

    Yet, you are easily willing to "force" all business owners to do things your way by taking away their right to decide. And you are completely comfortable with "forcing" smokers to do things your way.

    Hypocrite!
    By forced I mean I would be a total recluse if I didn't go to these bars and clubs. My friends smoke. I don't choose my friends based upon how they live their lives. I choose my friends because I have a connection with them. If I didn't go to the bars and clubs, and engage in average social situations, I wouldn't have friends And quit the name calling. Grow up.

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  • dodgeboard.com
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    Dean,

    Just earlier in your post you said you would be "forced" to go into a bar where there is smoke, though I really don't consider that "forced". You place a lot of emphasis on that word- "forced"

    Yet, you are easily willing to "force" all business owners to do things your way by taking away their right to decide. And you are completely comfortable with "forcing" smokers to do things your way.

    Hypocrite!

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  • Dean C
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    Originally posted by Creepshow View Post
    But surely if your friends cared for your wellbeing then they would make sure they went to a no-smoking bar?
    True, but sometimes the social situation over-rides personal choice

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