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  • #46
    Originally posted by Creepshow View Post
    Yep, people interferring with nature as per usual.

    That's part of the problem. Leave nature and animals be.
    There's one thing mankind intervening to prevent extinction, it's another to CAUSE extinction.

    Man adopted the caretaker role (as he really has no choice, because he depends on the very nature he exploits), and that means to protect and preserve what natural resources that are left.

    If that means releasing back a native predator into an ecosystem without predators to control the animal population so they won't overbreed (which causes genetic problems; over feeding; and destruction of native plants and animals), then they have too -- since it was mankind that took them away in the first place.

    Nature is a delicate balance. From the grass on the ground, to man with a rifle. If each doesn't balance each out, the whole ecosystem crashes. Even hunters today understand this, and probably they're the most involved in conservation in the world, since they know what happens when they don't caretake their prey and the land they live on.

    The dollars I spend for a fishing license, for example, is there to help conserve the very natural resources I would fish out of the rivers and ponds. Not just the fish, their environment and food stocks. Our local white striped bass was almost extinct when a 20 year ban went into affect. It was so easy to fish for them, as they loved to lay their eggs around eddies by the dams. Throw a line out there in spring, and the daddies who were protecting the fries, would gobble anything attached. So easy they nearly were wiped out. 20 year ban, and natural resource officers patrolling the rivers and banks helped save them. The result, nature balancing itself, and today fishermen can again fish for them, with strict size and fishing limits.

    That's responsible caretaking -- conservation.

    But simply releasing an animal into the wild because someone thought "wild is better", shows more than a lack of "compassion", it shows plain ignorance.
    "Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to Authority
    is not using his intelligence, he is just using his memory."
    ~~~
    Leonardo da Vinci

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    • #47
      Originally posted by ChrisLM2001 View Post
      But simply releasing an animal into the wild because someone thought "wild is better", shows more than a lack of "compassion", it shows plain ignorance.
      I think Chris has just summed up why I so often disagree with animal rights activists.

      Originally posted by Creepshow View Post
      Anyone who believes animal cruelty must be stopped DOES know what they're talking about. It's the careless idiots with no regard for animal welfare who need re-educating.
      I think in this instance it is the animal rights activists that need re-educating, not the other way around.

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      • #48
        What it comes down to is the confusion with all these "movements".

        1. Conservation (caretaking and truly mindful of the whole ecosystem, especially mankind's part in it).

        2. Environmentalism (which has hijacked the conservation movement with it's extremist views of plants, animals and whatever first, not the overall balance of all species sharing the same planet -- coexistence).

        3. Animal welfare (the true caring of animals and their habitats, yet not denying mankind's imprint on each).

        4. Animal rights (the inane belief that animals have more rights than mankind, but show by hypocrisy their own control over animals).

        Groups like PETA like to blur all 4, when they're basically just #4 and #2 -- ALF like terrorists, who'd kill not only the animals and the environment, mankind in their zealotry.
        "Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to Authority
        is not using his intelligence, he is just using his memory."
        ~~~
        Leonardo da Vinci

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        • #49
          Originally posted by ChrisLM2001 View Post
          What it comes down to is the confusion with all these "movements".

          1. Conservation (caretaking and truly mindful of the whole ecosystem, especially mankind's part in it).

          2. Environmentalism (which has hijacked the conservation movement with it's extremist views of plants, animals and whatever first, not the overall balance of all species sharing the same planet -- coexistence).

          3. Animal welfare (the true caring of animals and their habitats, yet not denying mankind's imprint on each).

          4. Animal rights (the inane belief that animals have more rights than mankind, but show by hypocrisy their own control over animals).

          Groups like PETA like to blur all 4, when they're basically just #4 and #2 -- ALF like terrorists, who'd kill not only the animals and the environment, mankind in their zealotry.
          Well, I personally beleive that neither animals or humans have more rights than the other. All life is totally equal is far as I'm concerned.

          Neither is more important than the other.
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          • #50
            Originally posted by Creepshow View Post
            Well, I personally beleive that neither animals or humans have more rights than the other. All life is totally equal is far as I'm concerned.
            No such thing as Communism/Socialism/Marxism in Nature. There are species on the top of the food chain, and the species that rules all we know, is Mankind. Can't remove Mankind from his role, unless Mankind relinquishes that role and no longer be human.

            So humans are more equal, not more irresponsible, but more than equal simply by inheritance.

            It's a heavy responsibility, but if mankind doesn't think wisely, and chases political agendas headfirst, he won't have to worry about those issues -- as we'll become extinct by not conserving that inheritance called life.

            And ironically, it starts right at home with the likes of PETA trying to redefine the roles of Mankind, blurring the issues, and trying to topple humans from their perch, to be but animals so we can be "equals".

            Equality=Extinction.
            "Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to Authority
            is not using his intelligence, he is just using his memory."
            ~~~
            Leonardo da Vinci

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            • #51
              I guess you guys have never swatted a fly or killed a mosquito

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Businessservices View Post
                I guess you guys have never swatted a fly or killed a mosquito
                Don't be an idiot.
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                • #53
                  I personally have nothing against fur.

                  Then again, I am a southerner who goes hunting and eats red meat. The fur, I do keep and make into coats or something along those lines. I waste a limited percentage of the animal as there are some parts I wouldn't have any use for and some would kill a person.

                  I would love to take some of those Peta kids on a "camping trip" and pull out my rifle to shoot a deer or other animal. Watch their eyes fill up with tears as I beak out laughing at them.

                  Where was Peta when Dick Cheney shot an almost extinct Harry Whittington? They didn't protest that shooting! Save the close to being extinct old people!

                  On the other side, I like animals. I feed raccoons, squirrels and the like. But when hunting season comes along, I go away from my house and don't take my animal friends with me. If I bring home one of their fellow species I reassure them that it is not their mom, dad, uncle or otherwise kinfolk. They also help me eat some of that. See, animals don't mind!

                  The only thing Peta is actually good for, is having attractive women get undressed. Now that I give an A+ and a standing ovation to peta for accomplishing!
                  Last edited by Comtech; Mon 12th Nov '07, 5:54am.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by DaveTomneyUK View Post
                    People should respect all animals just like they respect us.
                    Yea sure. Animals respect humans and some actually do, they love us. Dogs for instance.

                    But, how many times per year are humans attacked by wild or even tamed animals? Across the world, I would estimate upwards in the xxx,xxx range. Steve Erwin, an animals best friend - killed by an animal. He was their best friend and one decided to kill him. That is a sign of respect alright.

                    Bear attacks are on the rise in some states of the U.S.A.

                    The majority of animal attacks are unprovoked. If that is your meaning of respect - I feel sorry for you.

                    I really do like animals. I own two dogs, several talking parrots and took on a lot of wild animals as pets that come and go. But there is a time and a place for killing some animals for the sake of humanity. The deer population is one item of interest. If there were no deer season, we would be over run by them in two years or so.

                    Helping humanity comes at a cost, and to some the cost is too high. I could do without most meat. I would still like to have wild salmon once in a while. But until the day comes that I am forced to choose another food source away from meat - I will continue eating meat.

                    I personally wish they would clone Dinosaurs so we could know the thrill of hunting them and maybe the horror of being on the other end of being hunted - LMAO.
                    Last edited by Comtech; Mon 12th Nov '07, 6:35am.

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                    • #55
                      Question.....

                      Is it the OFFICIAL position of Jelsoft that PETA is a "Terrorist" organization?

                      I've seen a few team members make that claim.

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                      • #56
                        We are mearly stating our personal opionions on the matter, nothing more.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by DaveTomneyUK View Post
                          Hi,

                          I have come across a website by accident and I was shocked to see what I found it shows how poor animals are killed just for there fur and the nice people at peta are trying to get all animal cruelty stopped.


                          WARNING - Do not watch the fur video on the right if your do not like graphic material as I watched it by mistake which lead me to give a donation of 35.

                          PS - Sorry if its breaking the vBulletin rules but I do not intend to upset anyone in any way I just feel so sorry for these poor animals, People should respect all animals just like they respect use.

                          Thanks for reading this.
                          These animals are raised specifically for their fur. If people were not interested in buying fur, these animals would have never existed.

                          Originally posted by Wayne Luke View Post
                          My family eats meat two or three nights a week. However we only purchase organically grown meat. That means no beef and almost no pork until next year. Until then its mostly chicken, buffalo and maybe some rabbit if we can get it. We don't buy meat from factory farms but from friends who grow it for us. This year we have a pig, steer (half) and 2 turkeys being raised by friends. They aren't abused, get the best feed and are butchered humanely (less pain than a death row inmate). We buy the chicken and buffalo from local ranchers.

                          This doesn't take away that animals should be treated with respect either.
                          To a chemist, all meat is organically grown.

                          Originally posted by Creepshow View Post
                          Well, I personally beleive that neither animals or humans have more rights than the other. All life is totally equal is far as I'm concerned.

                          Neither is more important than the other.
                          As a science major, I personally believe that humans are animals as a consequence of being members of the animal kingdom. It follows that your statement is illogical.

                          Originally posted by ChrisLM2001 View Post
                          No such thing as Communism/Socialism/Marxism in Nature. There are species on the top of the food chain, and the species that rules all we know, is Mankind. Can't remove Mankind from his role, unless Mankind relinquishes that role and no longer be human.

                          So humans are more equal, not more irresponsible, but more than equal simply by inheritance.

                          It's a heavy responsibility, but if mankind doesn't think wisely, and chases political agendas headfirst, he won't have to worry about those issues -- as we'll become extinct by not conserving that inheritance called life.

                          And ironically, it starts right at home with the likes of PETA trying to redefine the roles of Mankind, blurring the issues, and trying to topple humans from their perch, to be but animals so we can be "equals".

                          Equality=Extinction.
                          That is not true; bee society is a perfect example of totalitarianism:

                          http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...e-control.html
                          http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...ees-wasps.html

                          Thankfully, bees are inferior to human beings, so we do not have to concern ourshelves with liberating the oppressed workers.

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                          • #58
                            There is a story currently on FoxNews about a Dog shot through the skull by a hunter. Itt did NOT come from PETA. It is on FoxNew's front page right now.

                            THIS is exactly why organizations like PETA are needed and why, regardless of those who make excuses otherwise, I will support them. It is likely that whoever did this felt it would be humorous.
                            Perhaps "done in front of camping children" as one in this thread put it.

                            Note: This post was edited by Zachery to completely change it's content.

                            This is a highly censored forum and only the "desired" content will obviously be allowed. I posted content directly from www.Foxnews.com about a terrible case of animal cruelty and it was censored.

                            Last edited by MistyPotato; Mon 12th Nov '07, 1:52pm.

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                            • #59
                              I removed the offensive content.

                              Now, you are aware of some of the things that peta does to get their message across, and that they spend more on advertising and their own incomes then helping shelters, people with pets, etc.

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                              • #60
                                This was not from a PETA site.

                                Go to Fox News. It is currently (Nov 12, 2007) a top headline.

                                It appears you are not offended by the news of hunters and the atrocities they commit yet you ARE offended by those risking their safety to prevent it and those who report it ?

                                Interesting. Now I am aware of how uninformed you are sir.
                                Last edited by MistyPotato; Mon 12th Nov '07, 1:51pm.

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