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  • Floris
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    10.5 is 64bit native, build from the ground up

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  • Cromulent
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    Originally posted by AWS View Post
    Isn't OSX already 64bit? I know the PPC version of Tiger is true 64bit and all 32bit software runs in emulation.
    Did they have to change to x86/64 when they went with Intel?
    Nope. The Unix core of 10.4 is 64bit but all the eye candy (GUI elements etc) are 32bit. When Leopard is released everything will be 64bit.

    Edit : Gah, I should read the whole thread before replying.

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  • MRGTB
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    oh well then, thats cheap enough. The X2 I have then must has a certain name for the chip, as when I bought it, there were a few different names for the chipset on them. I got the most expensive one. The chip cost me £400 about 9 months ago.

    Edit: Sorry, didn't notice your chip above posted is not actually an X2 chip, thought it seemed cheap.

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  • Dan
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    It's Dan not Danny (Very picky about this as not to be confused with Danny) I got an AMD Athlon 64 3800+ and a Biostar GeForce 6100-M9 with a fan for $123.07 (USD) including shipping and rush order.

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  • MRGTB
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    what CPU did you buy Danny and how much. I have an Athlon X2 3600 you could have bought of me if you live in the UK for £50, I upgraded to the FX a few weeks ago.

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  • Dan
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    Got the CPU and Motherboard yesterday and installed normal XP Pro on it and it's working like a charm Now to find a video card...

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  • Quillz
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    Originally posted by AWS View Post
    Isn't OSX already 64bit? I know the PPC version of Tiger is true 64bit and all 32bit software runs in emulation.
    Did they have to change to x86/64 when they went with Intel?
    Tiger only had 64-bit support at the Unix level, Leopard brings it all the way up to the Carbon/Cocoa APIs.

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  • MRGTB
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    Yeah, I bought a HP Laptop (against my better judgement).

    Anyway, this has a Vista Ready sticker on it. So a few weeks ago I decided to visit HP site for Vista drivers, first thing I see is it needs a Bois update to run it correctly according to there site. That was done first, then I downloaded there vista drivers for my exact model.

    But on installing some of the drivers, there picked up by Vista as not installing correctly each time I install them. I've done this many times now from a clean re-format and tried many different ways also. The on-screen volume display when you press keys does not work under vista after you install the software driver for it, thats a sucker as you don't know what your volume is set too etc.

    Basicly it's been a nightmare from start to finish. There have been days when I could have thrown this laptop out the window and said good riddens, or sold it for a song. Like you, I would never ever buy another HP machine again. And to top it off, even though the laptop comes with XP Media Centre installed via there boot disks. If you use an original MS Media Center disk, it will not pickup the hardisk to do a clean install of Media Center. Your forced to use there boot disks that install a ton of 3rd party crap. The only way it will pickup the HD which I found out the hardway, is to go into the bois and disable SATA for the HD disk. That slows it down, but it lets the MS Media Centre disk detect the HD to do a clean install, but once installed, if you try to re-enable the SATA. The laptop just won't boot to windows.

    Now how crazy is that, when it came with Media Center installed using there boot disks with sata enabled.

    Also, you have the option to delete the backup recovery partition to claim that space back. But even after you do that, on the bootup it still displays the F11 key, that you click to restore a backup from that partition that is not there anymore if you remove it. Basicly HP Laptops might look the buisness, but there more trouble than there worth.
    Last edited by MRGTB; Tue 17 Jul '07, 5:46pm.

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  • smackLAN
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    The only problem I have, and it's a problem with the PC maker selling me something it wan't, is that I bought a "Vista ready" machine in December pre-loaded with XP x64 with the full intent of upgrading to Vista when it was released. Upon arrival of my Vista upgrade discs from the mfg., I come to find there is no "upgrade" path from XP x64 to Vista...you have to flatten the drive and install Vista standalone...really pisses me off that I have a machine I have been using for 6 months with all my data and software and a set of Vista upgrade discs that are of no use to me...I will never, ever buy another Dell machine again as long as I live. All they were willing to do for me was a $200 credit

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  • MRGTB
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    Originally posted by Wayne Luke View Post
    I won't go back to XP myself. I really like Vista. However its a brand new PC with all Vista certified hardware. I wouldn't install Vista on anything but a new PC with at least 2 GB of RAM. Of course, I have always recommended that you upgrade Windows with new hardware and not upgrade an existing machine.
    Yeah, machines built for Vista is fine. And I do agree about the 2gig memory also. Don't get me wrong, I do like Vista, it just doesn't like me!

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  • Wayne Luke
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    Originally posted by MRGTB View Post
    But I still think it has stability issues myself. I've yet to talk to one person who I personally know, who has not had issues with Vista and regretted buying a PC with Vista installed, and would sooner go back to XP.
    I won't go back to XP myself. I really like Vista. However its a brand new PC with all Vista certified hardware. I wouldn't install Vista on anything but a new PC with at least 2 GB of RAM. Of course, I have always recommended that you upgrade Windows with new hardware and not upgrade an existing machine.

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  • MRGTB
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    Originally posted by Wayne Luke View Post
    In a perfect world but you need new drivers and/or new hardware as well new software to take full advantage of it. When you start combining 32-bit hardware drivers and old software then you get the stability issues that was present in the Windows 95 days.

    If you're willing to make a clean start and make sure all of your hardware, its drivers and your software are 64-bit then go for it. The problem is most people have legacy hardware and don't feel like upgrading just for a new version of an OS. If you game, you can't get 64-bit versions of your software. It isn't economically feasible to compile, package and ship them. Same for many applications that people buy and use. The average person is buying software off the shelves at Circuit City, Best Buy, Gamestop, Wal-mart or their equivalents in other countries. Those places carry 32-bit software so your Operating System should match. Heck, Microsoft doesn't even sell 64-bit versions of their software in the retail chain yet, just the OS. Also some popular free applications like iTunes are not available in 64-bit versions. Its an economy of scale. How many packages due you need to sell to make it worthwhile for testing, production, packaging, marketing and distribution. For many your talking hundreds of thousands of copies. For large companies like Microsoft, you're talking millions.
    A lot of what you say was the reason why I removed XP Pro 64bit (what a load of garbage that was), and I've never even attempted to run Vista 64bit, 32bit was bad enough for problems. Even though I have that option to do so. I'm not that keen on Vista anyway to be honest, it looks really great on your computer. But I still think it has stability issues myself. I've yet to talk to one person who I personally know, who has not had issues with Vista and regretted buying a PC with Vista installed, and would sooner go back to XP. But that's another story, which no doubt some people will argue and say it runs fine and on their computers without any problems, which do doubt it probably does for them.

    I even had a mate last week install Vista to replace his Media Centre Edition of XP. Guess what, today he re-formated to put XP back on. I told him I knew he wouldn't last the week with Vista.

    So now we have 64bit chips, and nobody wants to install a Windows 64bit OS. That's quite ironic really seeing as everybody wants them because there the "in-thing", but then not making full use them and there capabilities, because there designed for a 64bit OS to get the most out of em.
    Last edited by MRGTB; Tue 17 Jul '07, 2:37pm.

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  • AWS
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    Isn't OSX already 64bit? I know the PPC version of Tiger is true 64bit and all 32bit software runs in emulation.
    Did they have to change to x86/64 when they went with Intel?

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  • Floris
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    I have 2 Intel Xeon Woodcrest 51xx Dual Core CPU's that are 64bit and I can't wait for 10.5 from OSX to go native 64bit OS!

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  • Dan
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    Originally posted by MRGTB View Post
    Please tell me he means an FX and not an X2 Athlon 64bit chip

    I've got an X2 3800 if he wants to buy it, in the box, I've been meaning to put that a few other things on ebay for sale for the past two weeks.
    Because of the urgency of this issue and amount of money available to get up and running it is only an Athlon 64 3800+ (got it in a combo deal at newegg.com)

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