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  • steviec
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    Xbox 4 life

    Xbox 4 life

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  • whitetigergrowl
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    Its been stated by Microsoft that HD-DVD will be able to be used with no problems in Vista. That Blu-Ray would require some sort of plug-in to use. We'll see how that goes.

    Sorry, but no regular mom and pop will be able to justify the $500 or $600 price tag. The 360 $400 price tag was a bit much for most. With less than 10% of American homes having hdtv, blu-ray does little to nothing to warrant the price tag when at that point when all you would be stuck with is an expensive DVD player to play your PS2 games on. As well, most people (especially regular joes) that dont have hdtv and cant afford it, will see less reason to have the PS3 at those costs when for them it would have no advantage. Especially if Sony cant show that the graphics used are any different than the 360's. And lets not forget the cost of buying the PS3, games, and peripherals at launch. Easily setting the price tag closer to $800.

    As for it allowing more storage on the disc, that means very little honestly. No one complains when they have a 6 hour movie on dvd and about 3 or 4 hours in they have to swap out the disc. Or if they have a PS2 game that 10 hours in requires a swap. As well, most DVD's havent used their full potential. Elder Scrolls: Oblivian has hundreds of hours of voice acting, 100-200 hours of gameplay, and graphics to die for. And it only takes up half a disc! At this point and for the foreseeable future Blu-Ray isnt really needed. Sonys best interest would have been to wait a generation. But instead they are trying to force it upon us. Had they waited a generation whil the market was penetrated and the cost cheaper, they could have sold the PS4 much cheaper...as well as the PS3.

    If you get the $500 PS3 or have a regular TV...it wont matter. The graphics will not be any sharper or look any beefier. At this point the PS3 is nothing but an overpriced dvd player. The graphics of the games at E3 were underwhelming and in some cases actually looked worse than anything on the 360. The response was overall horrible. Sony has its work cut out for it. Its not the hardcore gamers that buy the system on day 1 that will help the system or Sony. Its the mom's and pop's of the world. And right now its out of most of their price range. Especially when some families entire Christmas budget is the cost of a PS3.

    And should the system be or get plagued with problems at launch (which a Playstations has, every single time), you better believe it will not help Sonys cause. At E3 a Sonic demo froze mid-demo. There is video to prove it as well. Pre-production maybe. But that could be the start of something as well. Remember that Cell and Blu-Ray have NEVER been put into a live test enviroment like the PS3 before. So no one knows what to expect. Sony wont know what to expect either until after the launch. I just dont see this paying off for Sony. Its also gonna be weird not having vibrationi n the controller. No PS1, PS2, or PS3 games will be able to use it since its not available.
    Last edited by whitetigergrowl; Thu 18 May '06, 7:56am.

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  • chrispadfield
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    Originally posted by Martin
    Chrisand I had this discussion the other day. I personally think that BluRay will go the way of Beta. it will likely be used in professional circles, but not by the average home user, mostly because of the price.
    With the compression algorhythms being used by toshiba's HD-DVD, the effective storage capacity on a DL DVD are damned near doubled. Added to that, the DL DVD+/-R disks are already on the market, and are considerable cheaper that the BR disks.

    Between Sony's penchant for overpricing and propietary hardware Ithinkt hey will lose yet another "Battle of the Recording Media" regardless of the superiority of their product.

    Of course this doesn't even get into the morals of Sony frivilously litigating Constellation3D into bankruptcy to be able to all but steal the patents for FMD (Flourescent Multi-Layer Disk) technology and incorporate their superior qualities into BluRay
    Since we had the chat Sony have announced their new Vaio laptops with BL drives, they do read and write to DVD-R (dual layer as well) so they obviously agree with you regarding the importance of that

    I agree that $599 is probably too much, they should have gone for $499. But still, A PS3 at $599 is only a fraction more than an HD-DVD player. It's a bit of a no brainers which you are going to buy between the two if you want to play next generation DVDs early. Add to the fact that even if the PS3 dosen't do well it's going to sell a few million players very rapidly, far more rapidly than HD-DVD players on their own are going to sell - it all just gives Blu-Ray an advantage. Whether they can hold that depends on how quickly they can lower prices.

    It will be interesting to see whether Dell offer Blu-Ray or HD-DVD writers in their PCs. Getting an exclusive deal there for either camp would make a big difference.

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  • nakile
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    All I know is this price is killing them.

    I'm [major edit]now[/major edit] hearing conversations that go something like this:

    "Did you hear how much the Ps3 is?!"
    "No, but I'm guessing it's under $300."
    "No! It's $599, for the good one anyway."
    "Well, I'm not getting that."

    Even worse, from the look of online polls, people are now switching to the Wii or Xbox360. One of the most popular ideas is a Xbox360 along with a Wii, mainly because an Xbox360 premium package and a Wii will be the same, or a little over the cost of the Ps3 premium package (I don't think anyone wants the bare bone package).

    This is going to be an interesting generation of consoles. It isn't just a bunch of people saying "We have the best power!" or "We can render Toy Story on this!"
    Last edited by nakile; Thu 18 May '06, 4:06pm.

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  • Martin
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    Chrisand I had this discussion the other day. I personally think that BluRay will go the way of Beta. it will likely be used in professional circles, but not by the average home user, mostly because of the price.
    With the compression algorhythms being used by toshiba's HD-DVD, the effective storage capacity on a DL DVD are damned near doubled. Added to that, the DL DVD+/-R disks are already on the market, and are considerable cheaper that the BR disks.

    Between Sony's penchant for overpricing and propietary hardware Ithinkt hey will lose yet another "Battle of the Recording Media" regardless of the superiority of their product.

    Of course this doesn't even get into the morals of Sony frivilously litigating Constellation3D into bankruptcy to be able to all but steal the patents for FMD (Flourescent Multi-Layer Disk) technology and incorporate their superior qualities into BluRay

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  • Donosti
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    im waiting to play with the wii, i hope much

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    Originally posted by Ogden2k
    Who cares about Blue Ray? It's a dying breed just like the betamax.
    I have to agree with you, although I'm still sitting on the sidelines to see which format takes off and which one fades away..

    The ps3 is overpriced, simple as that. The fact that the hardware is exotic doesn't help much aswell. Smells like the second coming of the Sega Saturn to me...

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  • Joe Page
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    I'll stick with 360 and Wii, maybe a reduced PS3 along the way.

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  • Onimua
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    Originally posted by [cadmus]
    I think PS3 is a good system that is worth having along with an Xbox 360.
    Perhaps... but definetly not at that price.

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  • [cadmus]
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    I think PS3 is a good system that is worth having along with an Xbox 360.

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  • Mainer82
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    Originally posted by dethfire
    I've been waiting to get PS3, but the cost is a little scary, plus I might just get 360 because I want to play gears of war and lost world.
    Lost Planet you mean. I have played the demo for it, and the game is very fun. I'm interested in seeing the RPG elements later on.

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  • dethfire
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    I've been waiting to get PS3, but the cost is a little scary, plus I might just get 360 because I want to play gears of war and lost world.

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  • whitetigergrowl
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    The smartest thing Sony could have done is like what was done with DVD and the PS2. Start to penetrate the market with Blu-Ray. Let the price drop enough that integrating it into the PS4 wouldnt be as expensive, then push it.

    Problem is, this round Sony cares more about pushing its Blu-Ray and Cell (almost forcing it) onto consumers than anything else. Proof of that is their lack of innovation and blatant stealing of Wii and 360 features. They were so busy trying to get Blu-Ray and Cell integrated they probably forgot about features. So in a last minute rush just decided to integrate as many 360 and Wii ideas/features as possible to compensate.

    Sony I think just shot themselves in the foot. And if Blu-Ray fails or doesnt do as well as previously because the PS3 is too expensive for the average joe....Sony has themselves to blame. Its not the harcore gamers that make the system. Its the average joe. And this one is priced way out of most peoples price range.

    I heard alot of parents complain about the high cost of the 360 premium. They'll have a freakin' aneurysm over the price of the PS3. And thats WITHOUT buying any games for it yet.

    As for the people saying the HD-DVD price puts the 360 over the cost of the PS3, thats bunk. The majority of people will not buy the HD-DVD add on as is. Its there as an option. And no price has been announced yet anyways.

    In Japan I'm sure they'll eat it up. Overseas...will no doubt be a different story.
    Last edited by whitetigergrowl; Sat 13 May '06, 3:48pm.

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  • Mainer82
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    I know that HD-DVD already has a larger library than BluRay and that MS is already backing HD-DVD as with a few other large corporations. I doubt BR will last.

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  • Vile
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    Originally posted by bfoot045
    You really don't know that. :-\

    The wars between HD-DVD and Blu-Ray haven't even started yet, and Blu-Ray has alot more supporters this time around.

    Say Blu-Ray is totally useless when some of the more powerful xb360 games have 2-3 discs to fill up the entire game (with the hd textures this will indefinantly happen.)
    An interesting article about this was written, and the fact that very few games on the market today use the entire DVD5 and DVD9 disc. (Plenty of space is left unused)

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