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  • Originally posted by Zonex
    Sorry, don't buy into your theories.
    Theory, fact, fantasy...you seem to have them confused a bit...

    Originally posted by Zonex
    I will stick with mine....Brain stole, got caught, had no option but to give them the software and the customer base.
    Maybe one day someone will slip and what really happened will come out. I'm betting my version will be more accurate.
    What color is the sky in your world?

    PS. Any programmer can look at the product and tell you that no IP was stolen, based on PP's claims, VBAC, VBAL, and VB itself should be the property of AEI.
    Last edited by James Goddard; Wed 23rd Nov '05, 11:03pm.
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    • Originally posted by James Goddard
      Theory, fact, fantasy...you seem to have them confused a bit...



      What color is the sky in your world?

      PS. Any programmer can look at the product and tell you that no IP was stolen, based on PP's claims, VBAC, VBAL, and VB itself should be the property of AEI.
      this coming from a person with photopostsucks domain'
      sorry, you are not impartial
      take off the rose colored glasses

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      • Originally posted by Zonex
        this coming from a person with photopostsucks domain'
        sorry, you are not impartial
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

        Originally posted by Zonex
        take off the rose colored glasses
        Well actually I am, impartial that is. I don't have a dog in this fight. My only stake is that I can read, and comprehend, and I know a little about IP law vs. practice. As far as those glasses, I didn't read the claims of one side and just automaticly assume guilt of the other. I looked at the code and made an informed descision.

        You are claiming that Brian is guilty because he settled. Riddle me this...

        McDondalds got sued in the US for serving coffee that was too hot. In the US they decided to settle the case. 2 years later they got the exact same suit in the UK. The UK courts tossed the case because it was considered to be fivilous.

        So, is MD guilty or innocent? Obviously by your arguments, MD is guilty. They settled the case so they must be. So I guess the UK is what, a backwards 3rd world country without a clue?

        Just remember this, and I assume that the fact that you're here means you run a VB based forum....the VB code and the PP code use the same variables and function names all over the place. Will you be ok tomorrow if you suddenly find out you have to go to www.photopost.com to get support for your forum?

        James

        P.S. On a slightly unrelated subject...how can you have the EFF, ACLU and HRW in your sig and be so pro establishment?
        Last edited by James Goddard; Thu 24th Nov '05, 12:06am.
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        • Just out of curosity Zonex, but why are your premises based on the two logic points that a) Brian is Guilty and b) AEI is innocent?
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          • hehe, he removed the photopostsucks from his signature now
            too late pal
            concerning the mcdonalds coffee, i myself have drank it at times and most times it was way beyond how hot coffee should be
            concerning me suddenly having to go to photopost tommorow for vb support( which i never use), i would welcome it
            With the exception of Floris and Scott, I dont like Jelsoft as a company.

            Btw, Im not claiming brian is guilty. I am saying I believe he is. It's my personaly belief. You have a different one.

            @josh - im basing it on the info that we do know

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            • Originally posted by Zonex
              hehe, he removed the photopostsucks from his signature now
              Actually I've removed it from my sig on every board. I've been attempting to get the PP people to reply to me for 2 days...


              Originally posted by Zonex
              concerning the mcdonalds coffee, i myself have drank it at times and most times it was way beyond how hot coffee should be
              Ok, now we have a frame of reference...I guess the two Brits with the board didn't create the crop circles and the government assisinated JFK.

              Originally posted by Zonex
              concerning me suddenly having to go to photopost tommorow for vb support( which i never use), i would welcome it
              With the exception of Floris and Scott, I dont like Jelsoft as a company.
              Another frame of reference for us.

              Originally posted by Zonex
              Btw, Im not claiming brian is guilty.
              Uhm, yea, you are.

              Originally posted by Zonex
              @josh - im basing it on the info that we do know
              Please elaborate then, on your so called evidence? Before you do, I'd like to point out that anything you quote from the suit is not evidence, but rather an unsubstansiated claim by one party....
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              • But none of the info currently we have legally and clearly states Brian is Guilty and AEI is telling the truth. Currently what we have only alludes to that, but the info we have is biased.
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                • James, you are getting ridiculous now. I'm not going to waste my breath with you any more.
                  Have a nice day.

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                  • Originally posted by Zonex
                    James, you are getting ridiculous now. I'm not going to waste my breath with you any more.
                    Have a nice day.
                    You have a nice day too, and Happy Thanksgiving.

                    BTW, Do you know you've elected not to receive PM's? I guess this is not the first time you've backed out of a discussion this way...

                    When you're ready to provide that evidence just let us know...
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                    • Originally posted by Dean C
                      You read the papers too much. Whilst it's expensive, those fees are astronomical, and completely out of proportion for this scale of lawsuit. This isn't MS sueing google over the period of two years... This is a small company, against a sole person.
                      That wasn't referring to the case currently talked about and payouts, that was referring to what was said earlier -- and I knew the person and the case (no paper needed).

                      Chris
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                      is not using his intelligence, he is just using his memory."
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                      • Originally posted by Zonex
                        With the exception of Floris and Scott, I dont like Jelsoft as a company.
                        Oh, now we're seeing the other shoe drop, and it helps to explain the sheer ugliness of this fight.

                        So will the accuser go after Jelsoft for a gallery addon, because some folks hate Jelsoft, too?

                        Chris
                        "Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to Authority
                        is not using his intelligence, he is just using his memory."
                        ~~~
                        Leonardo da Vinci

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                        • Originally posted by ManagerJosh
                          But none of the info currently we have legally and clearly states Brian is Guilty and AEI is telling the truth. Currently what we have only alludes to that, but the info we have is biased.
                          And the sleezy way it's coming off -- and NONE of these accusers bring any hard evidence to the table to prove the case (like exact lines in the vBAdvance script of lifted code) -- that makes it appear more and more this was an effort to smear a rival to shut them down, than to prove any wrong doing. Notice they STILL do the smearing after the settlement too????

                          All any side needs is the evidence, and with it Brian is proven guilty or innocent -- and that's all the general public needs to know (they don't need the soap opera, just the facts if the script is kosher or not so they can decide to stay with PP or not).

                          Chris
                          "Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to Authority
                          is not using his intelligence, he is just using his memory."
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                          • Originally posted by Zonex
                            James, you are getting ridiculous now. I'm not going to waste my breath with you any more.
                            Have a nice day.
                            Oh, no, James is a loyal friend and doing what friends do. It's no worse that what you're doing now.

                            BTW, we're all waiting for the evidence of the exact lines of code that the accuser claimed was stolen. Not the soap operas and snarky comments, just the hard evidence. Will it come next week or never?

                            Chris
                            "Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to Authority
                            is not using his intelligence, he is just using his memory."
                            ~~~
                            Leonardo da Vinci

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                            • Originally posted by ChrisLM2001
                              Oh, no, James is a loyal friend and doing what friends do. It's no worse that what you're doing now.

                              BTW, we're all waiting for the evidence of the exact lines of code that the accuser claimed was stolen. Not the soap operas and snarky comments, just the hard evidence. Will it come next week or never?

                              Chris
                              *puts 20.00 on never*
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                              • I spoke to Scott from AEI last night on ICQ and I think he's well within his rights to protect his intellectual property. You can't sit back and watch you're sales drop when someone is taking advantage of you're code.

                                I'm not saying that Brian did this, but if Scott has that belief then he has the right to enforce it.

                                Regarding products, rather than spread our resources thin we're working on one thing at a time. Though the underlying technology is being made flexible enough to be used on other products.

                                BBCode parser thats not vBulletin Specific, Upload class thats not vBulletin Specific, Image Thumbnail class thast not vBulletin Specific, Mail class thats not vBulletin Specific, User DataManager thats not vBulletin sepcific and so forth.

                                The underlying technology is being put in to place with each release so that we can use the vBulletin core for other products.
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