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  • #31
    i just seen on the news it was 6.00 and some change

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    • #32
      Yeah, Kirby 450 Euros can't be full time. 40 hours a week that would be pay of 2.8 euros per hour. That can't be right is it?
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      • #33
        Oh, and for the first time in recorded history, Hawaii now has the lowest average gas price in the nation. It has nothing to do with the Gas Price Cap law that just went into effect. We have 2 refineries on this island that produce all the gas we use.

        I'm kindof proud of the station owners/refiners here. They could have jacked the price in response to the mainland shortages, but they didn't.
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        • #34
          I was going to ask you about that Martin, how do they get the petrol to the islands without the refineries? I would think shipping petrol must be somewhat dangerous, but I guess its the only way.
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          • #35
            They can easily lower the price of gas by pumping more oil out than the set quota.
            I think we should get out of opec, cause only a few percent of ppl benefit from this while the rest of the world gets thier pockets drained.

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            • #36
              Opec is not something 'we' are in so 'we' can not get out. It is a collusion of countries that set the quantity of oil to produce; the market then sets the price. The problem is opec now does next to nothing to influence price, they are producing at near capacity. Only saudi arabai has any spare capacity left, and even thats debatable.

              There is no short term way to pump more oil. The only way is to open up new drilling sites, and that takes a few years.
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              • #37
                Nah, the USA still has Iraq. Opps I mean Iraq still needs to get thier act together and start producing an economy for the USA. No, I mean for them selves so that everyone can benifit from them like the USA.

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                • #38
                  Please lets discuss this without bringing in the politics. If thats not possible, the thread will be closed.
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                  • #39
                    Another thing is that North America better learn quickly and start using thier resources better. I know Canada [30million+] is bad cause we use 10 time more per person than the USA [250 million+]

                    I thought you were talking about the oil producing countries?
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                    • #40
                      It's perfectly understandable why Canadians use so much energy, though. Don't you guys have like 11 months of Winter, 1 week of Spring, 2 weeks of Summer and 1 week of Fall?
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                      • #41
                        I would assume Canada uses so much oil for heating purposes, not transportation like the US.

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                        • #42
                          Summer, it is a state of mind to us. That is why we are friendly to all or it could be the funny weeds growing around here!.

                          We drive to go across the street instead of walking. The roads in the community or great but it is how they place store's so darn far away that makes you drive everywhere.

                          *edit I think chrisp. is looking for me to say something political
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by KirbyDE
                            $ 4.00 - is that per gallon?

                            Yesterday I paid 1.394 EUR/Liter (= approx. 7.93 $/gallon), and that was one of the cheaper Gas Stations.
                            Others took 1.434 EUR/Liter
                            What probably hurts you more than the cost of gasoline is the fact that in Germany, most of the cost of gasoline goes toward taxes rather than the actual gasoline.

                            Socialism isn't fun. In the US, we now have a 50 cent gasoline tax, it was signed in under Clinton's administration and John Kerry voted for it.

                            Originally posted by KirbyDE
                            Health Insurance is mandatory; at least in Germany you must have one (it's a Law).
                            Normally it takes 12-16% of your monthly income.
                            Car insurance is mandatory in the US. I don't want to know how much it takes...

                            Originally posted by free thinker
                            Let me clarify. I have health insurance. But just recently. My employer covers a very basic Blue Cross PPO plan. He pays 75% of the cost (which today is almost unheard of). Anway, I pay $300/month for the three of us. My boss is paying $900/month for the rest. These figures are legitimate, I am not inflating or altering them. So basically the "actual cost" (if I were to try to purchase insurance w/o the help of my employers" would at about 50%, or more, of my take-home pay.

                            But there are a lot of people whose employers don't help them, or they can't even afford to pay their portion. What now? about 50 million uninsured here in America. In the end, with the right formula, it's got to be more expensive to have a sick nation than to nationalize quality health care...

                            I actually can't afford it, but I have to because my daughter has health issues. This year our family is "budgeted" for an $8,000 loss, which we hope will be offset by my fiance's graduation from nursing school. But whew, things are expensive.
                            Last check, we had 30 million uninsured (health wise) people in the US.

                            Anyway, if by "nationalize quality health care" you mean a socialist health care program, then I'd rather die in a ditch than have it. It would be created and maintained using our tax dollars (after they raise taxes). Life will become harder (but we'll be supposedly healthy) and we'll eventually end up collecting welfare checks with the economy in the toliet wondering what happened. The government doesn't have a money tree that they can draw from whenever people need something. That is, unless you consider tax payers to be a money tree that will never run out. When people need something, the government takes their money (the people's money) to do it, and always does it for more than what the person himself could have done on his own. If we had national "quality health care," we'd have what the canadians have, health care so good, you die waiting. For some of them, it is a choice between coming to the US for treatment or dying as the doctors in Canada tell them that there isn't anything they can do. We don't need that here.

                            Originally posted by Martin
                            It's perfectly understandable why Canadians use so much energy, though. Don't you guys have like 11 months of Winter, 1 week of Spring, 2 weeks of Summer and 1 week of Fall?
                            Isn't it cheaper to heat your home than to air condition it?

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Shining Arcanine
                              What probably hurts you more than the cost of gasoline is the fact that in Germany, most of the cost of gasoline goes toward taxes rather than the actual gasoline.

                              Socialism isn't fun. In the US, we now have a 50 cent gasoline tax, it was signed in under Clinton's administration and John Kerry voted for it.
                              So, your President now is raking in so much doe, so why not get rid of it then. Oh, that would mean George would not get his belly full of porridge.

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                              • #45
                                LEAD_WEIGHT, stop trying to instigate arguments. You're acting like a troll.

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