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    Originally posted by Chroder
    I'm sure he didn't mean it in a negative way. He's saying they don't include that particular feature because they don't think it would be beneficial. Just like how some crazy suggestions in the suggestion forum won't be included; not because the team cannot do it, but because they will not do it
    Exactly, there are a great number of suggestions that never see the light of day. The most two common reasons I see for this are.

    1) The suggestion would only benifit a small number of the customer base, thus the time spent coding the suggestion would be better spent on something that would benifit more customers

    2) There is no possible way to code said suggestion without casuing a lot of server load, some things *are* possible but again would only benifit the small number of people that had the hardware to cope with that extra load.

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  • Chroder
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    Originally posted by noppid
    And you wonder why you have to beg for bug reports?

    That whole attitude is not very flattering for Jelsoft.
    I'm sure he didn't mean it in a negative way. He's saying they don't include that particular feature because they don't think it would be beneficial. Just like how some crazy suggestions in the suggestion forum won't be included; not because the team cannot do it, but because they will not do it

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  • noppid
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    Originally posted by Scott MacVicar
    Its not what we can't do its what we won't do.
    And you wonder why you have to beg for bug reports?

    That whole attitude is not very flattering for Jelsoft.

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  • bahbah
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    Originally posted by Andrew111888
    If my guests are unable to figure out how to register, make a thread, or make a post, that's not the kind of person I'd like to join my forum.
    I know why you say that. But that is a great way to alienate a potential audience.

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  • Andrew111888
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    If my guests are unable to figure out how to register, make a thread, or make a post, that's not the kind of person I'd like to join my forum.

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  • bahbah
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    Originally posted by filburt1
    I very strongly agree. vB is like (and in some areas, surpasses) other forum engines in that they are simply far too complex to perform the simplest tasks without staring at the page for minutes on end trying what to do--which nobody does; they leave your site instead. Many people find vB easy to use because they are used for a forum interface, and more so, they are aware of the underlying concepts. Those new to any forum will be completely lost, especially one with so many features besides finding and making posts enabled by default.
    Yes you are right. I have now had to make Captivate movies that show visitors how to a) register b) post a new thread c) post a reply

    50,000 members of which a couple of thousand have 0 posts tell a simple and disturbing truth. People don't sign up if they want to just leave - especially when the site is providing a helpful free service.

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  • Wayne Luke
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    Originally posted by SonnetCelestial
    I've been looking for a features list for candidate 2 and as usual I probably will need to download and install it to know what it does. Many other sites have a "test" section to allow you to get a feel for the product. It would be great if I could test vb and future releases without needing to download it and install it all the time.
    We have an online test version of the latest stable version. You can register for a copy at: http://www.vbulletin.com/admindemo.php

    When 3.5.0 is released the Admin Demo will be updated. However, it most likely won't allow access to plugins or products because those would open a security risk for this server.

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  • SonnetCelestial
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    Best: security (not infallible but that's non existent on the net)
    Worst: usually need to install the product to get a general feel for latest features

    I've been looking for a features list for candidate 2 and as usual I probably will need to download and install it to know what it does. Many other sites have a "test" section to allow you to get a feel for the product. It would be great if I could test vb and future releases without needing to download it and install it all the time.

    Am I lazy? Yes. Are other people lazy? Double yes

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  • filburt1
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    Originally posted by bahbah
    The layout of the forum interface - it's too complex for forum newbies. This has been the case since I've been using vbulletin and is not a vb3 phenomena. It is something however that IMO is more important than adding features.
    I very strongly agree. vB is like (and in some areas, surpasses) other forum engines in that they are simply far too complex to perform the simplest tasks without staring at the page for minutes on end trying what to do--which nobody does; they leave your site instead. Many people find vB easy to use because they are used for a forum interface, and more so, they are aware of the underlying concepts. Those new to any forum will be completely lost, especially one with so many features besides finding and making posts enabled by default.

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  • bahbah
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    Originally posted by Zachery
    Hmm,

    I really disagree on the forum interface. I believe some of the wordding may not be easy, but none of my users (10-40) have ever had a problem with the forum features. Or using its interface. Everything in vB is really stright forward.
    My userbase is really centred around 15-25 and 40+

    I receive at least 3-5 emails daily from new registrants asking how to post. I realise that some of the blame needs to lie on the site as well as the forum system - but if they can register surely they should be able to post. That is 3-5 people of the 80-100 people that register on my site daily.

    It's all too easy to misunderstand quite how uneducated a lot of people are with computers and the internet.

    I'm not saying that it's an easy task to make things easy for newbies, but adding every feature under the sun just makes it worse, and ends up catering for the minority of people that know enough about the system to actually benefit from it.

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  • Zachery
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    Originally posted by bahbah
    Best
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    AJAX and the promised improved more efficient code

    Worst
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    The layout of the forum interface - it's too complex for forum newbies. This has been the case since I've been using vbulletin and is not a vb3 phenomena. It is something however that IMO is more important than adding features.
    Hmm,

    I really disagree on the forum interface. I believe some of the wordding may not be easy, but none of my users (10-40) have ever had a problem with the forum features. Or using its interface. Everything in vB is really stright forward.

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  • bahbah
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    Best
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    AJAX and the promised improved more efficient code

    Worst
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    The layout of the forum interface - it's too complex for forum newbies. This has been the case since I've been using vbulletin and is not a vb3 phenomena. It is something however that IMO is more important than adding features.

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  • Guest's Avatar
    Guest replied
    Originally posted by Biker
    Yep.. Sigs are completely turned off on our site.
    I think I might do the same... Or at least, only for admins/mods

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  • Biker
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    Originally posted by Shining Arcanine
    I agree. I right now have signature images disabled on my forums for three reasons:
    Yep.. Sigs are completely turned off on our site.

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  • Freddie Bingham
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    Originally posted by Shining Arcanine
    Well, we've been trying to rewrite vBulletin's templates to be written properly (this goes beyond just pulling tables) at vBulletin-CSS.com, but we have had to water down our goals because every time we find a way to achieve them, it isn't possible due to a limitation of the Style Manager. We can remove the tables (and use CSS for positioning), but we can't do much beyond that as writing the templates as well as they could be requires modifying vBulletin. It is too limited.

    Even so, none of Jelsoft's competitors come close to vBulletin's style system so you won't find a superior one unless someone gets so fed up with it that they design and market their own. I sent a list of suggestions to one of the developers so hopefully the next feature release will eliminate the Style Manager's limitations.
    If achieving the end goal requires the style editor to be modified, that surely can be done as well.

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